Why is it acceptable to be angry with people who don’t want the vaccine?

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I’ve had both. I didn’t want them initially but after looking into it more, I decided to have them and think it’s the right thing.

But I would never be angry, rude, dismissive of someone who didn’t want the vaccine. I’m finding these discussions very draining - they happen at work, among friends, on the news. Whatever happened to allowing people to decide for themselves as to whether they want to book an appointment and have a needle injected into them?

Honestly, I don’t think it’s the right thing not to have the vaccine but i am astonished at how narrow minded people are that they cannot respect the decision of other people. I think if everyone backed off from blaming other people then they might find that more people DID end up having the vaccine.

Rant over!

@hamstersarse to be fair, it did come across like that . I think it was because I had come from Singapore, where EVERYBODY wears masks. It was a bit shocking to see a whole bus full of people packed in like sardines without masks on.

Vaccinated and unvaccinated can all catch, spread and become unwell with Covid

Mary Berry, myself and Gordon Ramsey can all cook food.

@Nextlevelnonsense maybe you could use your amazing skills to find ot how vaccinations actually work, or sometimes don't.

They took a personal risk with their own health, because they were told to. It makes them angry to see that others did not choose to take the same risk.

@Nextlevelnonsense

Patronising much?

The majority of adults have been vaccinated because the evidence demonstrates it is safer to be vaccinated than not be vaccinated. Not because "people told them to".

The idea that anger comes from people regretting their decision to be vaccinated is ridiculous.

I'd imagine it comes from people continually spreading misinformation which is putting lives at risk, or being unwilling to consider any kind of mitigations, as an alternative to vaccination.

@Postdatedpandemic

Vaccinated and unvaccinated can all catch, spread and become unwell with Covid

Mary Berry, myself and Gordon Ramsey can all cook food.

@Nextlevelnonsense maybe you could use your amazing skills to find ot how vaccinations actually work, or sometimes don't.

I wasn't aware that my role in this conversation was to explain how vaccines work. I was just joining in the conversation.

There is plenty of data available, depending upon your familiarity with terminology.

Let me know what you are looking for, and I'll find a good starting point for you.

[quote Jacaranda75]@hamstersarse to be fair, it did come across like that . I think it was because I had come from Singapore, where EVERYBODY wears masks. It was a bit shocking to see a whole bus full of people packed in like sardines without masks on.[/quote]
Fair enough

But given the thread is about being angry about unvaccinated people, it is just representative about how people let this one thing bleed into everything they think about 'the dreaded awful disgusting unvaccinated'. They now have such a stereotype that you will look on a bus and think such random things, when actually most, if not all, will have been vaccinated on that bus (as the statistics will vouch for) .

I couldn't give a damn. Being angry about other people's decisions that you can't do anything about is a waste of energy.

@paranoidnamechanger

I couldn't give a damn. Being angry about other people's decisions that you can't do anything about is a waste of energy.

Yep. I had years of therapy, and something I took away from it was that I can't control other people.. but I can control me.

@Nextlevelnonsense you say that the vaccinated are angry about being vaccinated. WTF?

This is no longer a position of ignorance or stupidity. You are maliciously promoting a poorer health outcome for disadvantaged groups who make up the majority of the unvaccinated. Why do you want to kill off a proportion of this group?

Vaccines have reduced deaths and severe disease across the planet.

It's not acceptable to be angry with people who don't have the vaccine.
You either believe in bodily autonomy or you don't.

@riveted1

They took a personal risk with their own health, because they were told to. It makes them angry to see that others did not choose to take the same risk.

@Nextlevelnonsense

Patronising much?

The majority of adults have been vaccinated because the evidence demonstrates it is safer to be vaccinated than not be vaccinated. Not because "people told them to".

The idea that anger comes from people regretting their decision to be vaccinated is ridiculous.

I'd imagine it comes from people continually spreading misinformation which is putting lives at risk, or being unwilling to consider any kind of mitigations, as an alternative to vaccination.

We don't have any kind of reliable evidence to substantiate the claim below:

the evidence demonstrates it is safer to be vaccinated than not be vaccinated

There are so many variables.

Ask someone with 'long Covid'.
Ask someone with significant vaccine injury.

None of us can see into the future. All we can do is what we think is best for society/ ourselves based on the information available.
People are operating based on different information. It doesn't make them bad/ stupid/selfish/sheep.

Vaccines have reduced deaths and severe disease across the planet..in the people who were vulnerable to the disease.

It's made no difference at all to the outcomes of 99.9% of the population.

Nothing wrong with that, it's good. But don't pretend the vaccine has saved my life. I was never going to die.

@hamstersarse you weren't going to die of polio either.

But don't pretend the vaccine has saved my life. I was never going to die.

@hamstersarse you don't know that though? The DJ from our local pub died at the weekend. He was in his thirties and in perfect health. He was slim, went to the gym, did not have underlying health problems.

What makes you different? Why do you think you won't die from Covid?

I don't care if anyone isn't jabbed, the jab doesn't give 100% protection, you can still catch & transmit the virus. All I am bothered about is me & my family, they are what matters to me. I do get angry about all the antivaxxers because it should be up to the individual, a personal decision. I don't think all the stuff in the media pushing everyone to get jabbed is helping, after the way the government have handled the pandemic less & less people are placing their trust in them to make the right decisions.

I’m not angry at people not wanting the vaccine per se. I still believe in individual choice, whilst that does have consequences on the whole in this instance so is likely to come with restrictions ie. COVID passport.

However I’m fuming at people who spread misinformation about vaccines.

I find that those discussions are mostly started by unvaxxed people defending their poor choice. I'd be quite happy if the shut up about it.

[quote Postdatedpandemic]@Nextlevelnonsense you say that the vaccinated are angry about being vaccinated. WTF?

This is no longer a position of ignorance or stupidity. You are maliciously promoting a poorer health outcome for disadvantaged groups who make up the majority of the unvaccinated. Why do you want to kill off a proportion of this group?

Vaccines have reduced deaths and severe disease across the planet.[/quote]
I don't disagree with vaccinations. Not at all.

I disagree with being misrepresented. Also with accusations of being malicious, ignorant and stupid.
It's important to engage in dialogue,
Far too many people have died already. Let's not try to apportion blame for that towards posters on Mumsnet.

You have your own personal experiences which shape your views.
Mine are no less important than yours.

This is a discussion, not a slanging match.

@Jacaranda75

But don't pretend the vaccine has saved my life. I was never going to die.

@hamstersarse you don't know that though? The DJ from our local pub died at the weekend. He was in his thirties and in perfect health. He was slim, went to the gym, did not have underlying health problems.

What makes you different? Why do you think you won't die from Covid?

This it the thing, isn't it. You have anti-vaxxers saying Covid is a hoax, and the the jab is some conspiracy thing. But you also have the vehemently pro-vaxxers trying to convince anyone who isn't vaccinated that they are going to die. Both are as bad as each other.

@Jacaranda75

But don't pretend the vaccine has saved my life. I was never going to die.

@hamstersarse you don't know that though? The DJ from our local pub died at the weekend. He was in his thirties and in perfect health. He was slim, went to the gym, did not have underlying health problems.

What makes you different? Why do you think you won't die from Covid?

Well I have had it.......and I seem to be still here

@Jacaranda75

But don't pretend the vaccine has saved my life. I was never going to die.

@hamstersarse you don't know that though? The DJ from our local pub died at the weekend. He was in his thirties and in perfect health. He was slim, went to the gym, did not have underlying health problems.

What makes you different? Why do you think you won't die from Covid?

Also can I just say, if people who don't think the vaccines are The Best Thing Ever and might be critical of it, ever wheeled out a "The DJ from the local pub died at the weekend" line, the vitriol would be off the scale.

I won't be tempted to do the same, but in the same vein, I will ignore your anecdata

@Nextlevelnonsense I didn't call you ignorant or stupid, just malicious for promoting anti-vaxx views.

Your choice not to be vaccinated is entirely separate and your choice.

@XenoBitch

But you also have the vehemently pro-vaxxers trying to convince anyone who isn't vaccinated that they are going to die.

I agree 100%

I'm not sure at what point the whole narrative changed to suggest this but was probably altered to further coerce those of us choosing not to be vaccinated

@Postdatedpandemic - I am far from being anti vax.
I have 3 children. All fully vaccinated, except one who suffered a significant reaction to the first MMR.
I personally studied the MMR vaccine, and documented outcomes. I believe that the autism links are entirely unfounded, and that autism is generally genetic (see evidence based on monozygotic/dizygotic twin studies).

My personal vaccination status is irrelevant to my views.

@user333334

There is plenty of data available, depending upon your familiarity with terminology.

Date doesn't require familiarity with terminology

Sorry. Which data are you looking for? I'm happy to help anyone who needs it.

@Nextlevelnonsense I'd like to see several peer reviewed studies on the proportion of people who are angry about being vaccinated. Enough for meta analysis.