Page 12 | Why is it acceptable to be angry with people who don’t want the vaccine?

Wuishj · 2021-12-14T13:38:40+00:00

I’ve had both. I didn’t want them initially but after looking into it more, I decided to have them and think it’s the right thing. But I would never be angry, rude, dismissive of someone who didn’t want the vaccine. I’m finding these discussions very draining - they happen at work, among friends, on the news. Whatever happened to allowing people to decide for themselves as to whether they want to book an appointment and have a needle injected into them? Honestly, I don’t think it’s the right thing not to have the vaccine but i am astonished at how narrow minded people are that they cannot respect the decision of other people. I think if everyone backed off from blaming other people then they might find that more people DID end up having the vaccine. Rant over!

AlfonsoTheUnrepentant · 14/12/2021 21:43

I'm not sure that Covid cares about fairness.

Twattergy · 14/12/2021 21:43

If you accept people's right not to be vaccinated, you also need to accept people's right to judge unvaccinated people. I don't think people should be forced to be vaccinated. However I do judge those choosing not to be vaccinated as ill-informed and selfish.

eandz13 · 14/12/2021 21:46

@AlfonsoTheUnrepentant 1 million boosters per day are causing the NHS "quite a bit of work", GPs prioritising boosters is "quite a bit of work", A&E absolutely buckling because GPs haven't been seeing people.... you catch my drift.

When there's still a 60/40 divide between vaccination status occupying beds/hospital appointments.... I wouldn't be solely blaming the unvaccinated for the NHS workload

As you can see, I'm in the "it's none of my fucking business what path you choose for yourself" camp. It's a good camp, I recommend it.

Heatherjayne1972 · 14/12/2021 21:48

Interesting that anti vaxxers are all labelled conspiracy nuts!

One member of my family didn’t get the vaccine because he was too lazy to bother now he’s had covid - mildly and he doesn’t see the point of a vaccine
Another is anti vaccine for any vaccine at all - you could offer her a vaccine against poverty and aging and she would say no thanks

The other person is anti medication - won’t even take a paracetamol due to previous drug addiction
None of these are conspiracy theorists
But none will have this jab

AlfonsoTheUnrepentant · 14/12/2021 21:51

@Heatherjayne1972

Interesting that anti vaxxers are all labelled conspiracy nuts! One member of my family didn’t get the vaccine because he was too lazy to bother now he’s had covid - mildly and he doesn’t see the point of a vaccine Another is anti vaccine for any vaccine at all - you could offer her a vaccine against poverty and aging and she would say no thanks The other person is anti medication - won’t even take a paracetamol due to previous drug addiction None of these are conspiracy theorists But none will have this jab

Are we reading the same thread? I don't recall seeing ""conspiracy nuts" comments on this thread. That said, I scroll by the idiotic posts so may have missed them.

Jacaranda75 · 14/12/2021 21:52

From an anthropological view this is Darwinism in action.

I was thinking this a couple of weeks ago whilst in a taxi on my way from Heathrow Airport. The traffic was horrendous and there was a bus next to us in the traffic. It was packed. It had been drizzling and the bus looked hot and humid. An ideal breading ground for germs.

I could only see TWO people on the bus who were wearing masks. None of the others that I could see were wearing masks.

It was just this sea of gormless faces. It made me feel very sad.

Montecristocount · 14/12/2021 21:55

My issue isn’t with any one anti vaxxee but as a whole they are taking up a lot of ICU beds. Doesn’t affect me personally but does affect people waiting for operations and anyone needing a hospital bed.

Macaroni46 · 14/12/2021 21:56

@Plaiceandchips surely someone with health anxiety would be desperate to get the vaccine!
Or perhaps they should get help for their anxiety and take the jab because you know, Covid isn't going to take health anxiety into account when it decides to continue to spread and mutate!

AlfonsoTheUnrepentant · 14/12/2021 21:57

@Montecristocount

My issue isn’t with any one anti vaxxee but as a whole they are taking up a lot of ICU beds. Doesn’t affect me personally but does affect people waiting for operations and anyone needing a hospital bed.

And it will be interesting to see what kind of load 'long Covid' presents to the NHS, too. And what will happen if / when there is a new variant.

Postdatedpandemic · 14/12/2021 22:01

Don't feel sad @Jacaranda75 people are making the choice not to be vaccinated because they want to. Yes, it may be fucking expensive to society and cause cancer patients to have delayed treatment, but this is the cost of free speech. Their right to poorer health outcomes protects our rights to so many other things. Raise a toast to them and move on.

hamstersarse · 14/12/2021 22:01

@Jacaranda75

From an anthropological view this is Darwinism in action.

I was thinking this a couple of weeks ago whilst in a taxi on my way from Heathrow Airport. The traffic was horrendous and there was a bus next to us in the traffic. It was packed. It had been drizzling and the bus looked hot and humid. An ideal breading ground for germs.

I could only see TWO people on the bus who were wearing masks. None of the others that I could see were wearing masks.

It was just this sea of gormless faces. It made me feel very sad.

This is fully paranoid thinking. You are assuming so many things in this post.

And you are also very judgey and patronising (gormless?).

They were probably all vaccinated (because most adults are), and given that is what you want, what exactly is your problem?!?

hamstersarse · 14/12/2021 22:02

@Montecristocount

My issue isn’t with any one anti vaxxee but as a whole they are taking up a lot of ICU beds. Doesn’t affect me personally but does affect people waiting for operations and anyone needing a hospital bed.

A lot of the figures around 'the unvaccinated' taking up ICU beds have been totally incorrect and misrepresented and exaggerated.

If you could back it up your statement with facts however, that would be helpful

XenoBitch · 14/12/2021 22:03

@Twattergy

If you accept people's right not to be vaccinated, you also need to accept people's right to judge unvaccinated people. I don't think people should be forced to be vaccinated. However I do judge those choosing not to be vaccinated as ill-informed and selfish.

What do you have to gain by judging people who have not had the vaccine? I am genuinely curious. Is it to gain a feeling of smugness? Or to make them feel bad?

AlfonsoTheUnrepentant · 14/12/2021 22:04

[quote Macaroni46]@Plaiceandchips surely someone with health anxiety would be desperate to get the vaccine!
Or perhaps they should get help for their anxiety and take the jab because you know, Covid isn't going to take health anxiety into account when it decides to continue to spread and mutate! [/quote]
That is sensible. But not all adults are willing or able to engage in sensible behaviour, alas.

eandz13 · 14/12/2021 22:07

[quote Macaroni46]@Plaiceandchips surely someone with health anxiety would be desperate to get the vaccine!
Or perhaps they should get help for their anxiety and take the jab because you know, Covid isn't going to take health anxiety into account when it decides to continue to spread and mutate! [/quote]
Do you really believe any anxiety is "one size fits all", and that there's some really fast magical treatment to make it go away?

Also, how fucking easy do you think it is to get an appointment with a GP to be SEEN for anxiety at the moment?

Come on. I thought it was the anti vaxxers that were meant to be thick!

AlfonsoTheUnrepentant · 14/12/2021 22:07

A lot of the figures around 'the unvaccinated' taking up ICU beds have been totally incorrect and misrepresented and exaggerated.

@hamstersarse, please share the correct figures and the sources for them. If you could back it up your statement with facts however, that would be helpful. Thank you.

samyeagar · 14/12/2021 22:07

[quote Macaroni46]@Plaiceandchips surely someone with health anxiety would be desperate to get the vaccine!
Or perhaps they should get help for their anxiety and take the jab because you know, Covid isn't going to take health anxiety into account when it decides to continue to spread and mutate! [/quote]
Nor will it take into account anyone else unvaccinated including CEV and the biggest lot of them all...kids. If some people really are as serious and rigid in real life as they seem to be here, they ought to be going on and on about kids out in public, travelling abroad, and keeping kids away from everyone because they are unvaccinated.

Beachcomber · 14/12/2021 22:11

@riveted1

we won't know for quite some time what the impact of mass vaccination will be.

A reduction in infection, transmission, long term complications and mortality @Beachcomber, alongside progession to population-level immunity which will enable us to, at some point in the future, be able to treat coronavirus like 'flu.

You obviously have an agenda, and keep repeating vaccine misinformation over multiple threads despite your posts being deleted.

You obviously have an agenda

I never really figured out what people mean when they post this. Do you mean a "hidden agenda" or a "political agenda"?

In which case no I don't. I just have an opinion. I'm a regular MNer parent ordinary person who works in an ordinary job, pays the bills, tries to do well by my kids and sometimes wastes a bit too much time on a parenting forum.

But I'm intrigued by your thinking I'm up to something. If my "agenda" is so obvious could you tell me what it is cos I have no idea what it might be.

Thanks!

XenoBitch · 14/12/2021 22:17

Do you really believe any anxiety is "one size fits all", and that there's some really fast magical treatment to make it go away? confused

Also, how fucking easy do you think it is to get an appointment with a GP to be SEEN for anxiety at the moment?

Come on. I thought it was the anti vaxxers that were meant to be thick!

@eandz13

It is like needle phobic people being told to just "look away" and "the needle is tiny"... wow thanks, I'm cured.

Anxiety can take a long time to treat... sometimes years... and sometimes it is just managed and not cured.
I am sure if I call my GP now to get help for my anxiety/phobia, I will be told boosters are a priority and to come back in Feb. So helpful.
I have tried to get an appointment with my GP several times this past few weeks. Get stuck in the 'call at 8am, they run out of appointments so call again next day at 8am' cycle. I have given up.

Jacaranda75 · 14/12/2021 22:24

@hamstersarse my problem is that they should have been wearing masks.

hamstersarse · 14/12/2021 22:25

@AlfonsoTheUnrepentant

Misrepresentation and exaggeration/propaganda www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-59405471

Actual numbers www.icnarc.org/Our-Audit/Audits/Cmp/Reports go to the most recent report, top right. page 46.

November 2021 figures for covid-19 patients in ICU by vaccination status:

Unvaccinated: 45%

One dose: 5%
Two doses: 50%

hamstersarse · 14/12/2021 22:31

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Nextlevelnonsense · 14/12/2021 22:34

People who are vaccinated can never become unvaccinated.
Regardless of any facts that emerge later, they can't become unvaccinated in response.
They took a personal risk with their own health, because they were told to. It makes them angry to see that others did not choose to take the same risk.

They can't remove that risk, but they are understandably angry about it.
Instead of blaming those who coerced them into the situation, they are blaming those who refused to be coerced.

Vaccinated and unvaccinated can all catch, spread and become unwell with Covid.
It's not about their personal risk of Covid.

Choosing to be vaccinated in this situation is something that deserves a level of research.
Covid can kill people under certain circumstances.
Vaccinations can kill people under certain circumstances.

It shouldn't be a snap decision based on a newspaper headline.
It's a pandemic. People have died. It's too big a decision to defer to Boris, or the News at 10.
Most of us realise that certainly, regardless of the choice we made.

Then we have those who are comfortable that they made a personal and educated choice to be vaccinated, or not.
They don't engage in the name calling and abuse, because there is nothing to be angry about.

It's all about uncertainty and fear. That's natural in an unnatural situation. Each side blaming and abusing the other is misguided. Hate achieves nothing.

Research, decide, and live your best life. Let people live theirs.

Sonex · 14/12/2021 22:35

That's not how vaccines work ....

Where have yo researched?

LifeIsWhat · 14/12/2021 22:39

[quote hamstersarse]**@AlfonsoTheUnrepentant

Misrepresentation and exaggeration/propaganda www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-59405471

Actual numbers www.icnarc.org/Our-Audit/Audits/Cmp/Reports go to the most recent report, top right. page 46.

November 2021 figures for covid-19 patients in ICU by vaccination status:

Unvaccinated: 45%

One dose: 5%
Two doses: 50%[/quote]
Wow, this is helpful and eye opening, thank you. @AlfonsoTheUnrepentant