Why is it acceptable to be angry with people who don’t want the vaccine?

[Wuishj]

I’ve had both. I didn’t want them initially but after looking into it more, I decided to have them and think it’s the right thing.

But I would never be angry, rude, dismissive of someone who didn’t want the vaccine. I’m finding these discussions very draining - they happen at work, among friends, on the news. Whatever happened to allowing people to decide for themselves as to whether they want to book an appointment and have a needle injected into them?

Honestly, I don’t think it’s the right thing not to have the vaccine but i am astonished at how narrow minded people are that they cannot respect the decision of other people. I think if everyone backed off from blaming other people then they might find that more people DID end up having the vaccine.

Rant over!

[quote Postdatedpandemic]@Nextlevelnonsense I'd like to see several peer reviewed studies on the proportion of people who are angry about being vaccinated. Enough for meta analysis.[/quote]
Same goes for the vaccine efficacy and safety profile...

Google Scholar will help you with those @hamstersarse but alas not with the vaccine anger.

@Nextlevelnonsense whatever you're smoking, I would bloody love some. Seems like some fucking intense stuff.

[quote Wuishj]@BoredOfSamphire that’s true, but its still their decision to make, surely? I would be less likely to be around someone not vaccinated as I would see it as more of a risk. But that’s still up to them.[/quote]
But some people don't have the option of choice to not be in the vicinity of either the non-vaccinated or the unmasked. If you're working in a job with close contact with random people, for example.

And I do think vaccine-refusers are ignorant. And selfish.

@JamesDevon38

In your world anyone who doesn't take the vaccine is the selfish anti christ, in the real world the jab doesn't stop contracting/passng covid on or come close to overwhelming health services compared to other lifestyle choices. Endless jabs for a virus that is basically a bad cold for most people where deaths are measured of all causes within 28 days of a positive covid test include people run over by trucks/ cancer/ heart disease etc- what a coincidence flu has miraculously disappeared.... also in the real world

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1517629/covid-19-news-coronavirus-excess-deaths-uk-ONS-Carl-Heneghann*

Gosh, you even included a link to Carl Heneghan - increasing your credibility by 10 points right there And yes, such a coincidence flu has disappeared! I wonder why that might be? Thinking for yourself can be so hard sometimes.

@Postdatedpandemic

Google Scholar will help you with those *@hamstersarse* but alas not with the vaccine anger.

A meta analysis on the safety profile and long term efficacy of the vaccines? I very much doubt it

@Dishhh

Oooo get you dissing Carl Henegan.

Did you read on Facebook the Professor Carl Henegan of Oxford University is a Very Bad Person and you must not ever expose your very pure pretty mind to his very bad words?

[quote hamstersarse]@Dishhh

Oooo get you dissing Carl Henegan.

Did you read on Facebook the Professor Carl Henegan of Oxford University is a Very Bad Person and you must not ever expose your very pure pretty mind to his very bad words?[/quote]

I don't read about Covid on Facebook. That would be absolute madness. If you believe Carl Heneghan, then that says everything about you really.
Plus your nasty post was uncalled for.

@Nextlevelnonsense - I liked your post and agreed with much of it. I wish everybody would just focus on what they're doing & stop listening to the papers who seem to be permanently trying to whip everybody up into a frenzy of bitterness and hatred. Vaccination status does not determine if you are a good or evil person but unfortunately that seems to be what they're trying to promote and what gullible people seem only too happy to believe. We need more understanding, kindness and tolerance if we want a world that's worth living in.

@Dishhh

So it’s not Facebook, but where did you get your opinion that Carl Henegan is A Very Bad Man and you must be ridiculed for even considering reading any of his work?

[quote hamstersarse]@Dishhh

So it’s not Facebook, but where did you get your opinion that Carl Henegan is A Very Bad Man and you must be ridiculed for even considering reading any of his work?[/quote]

I do occasionally have a look at his Twitter feed, so I'm well aware of his worldview (or Covid-view). That doesn't make him a bad person, just a misguided one - albeit one that is influencing others.

This is why.
Please don’t post misinformation. The effectiveness of vaccines isn’t uncertain. You can find plenty of information about the impact of vaccination on the .gov website or in peer reviewed scientific journals.

[quote hamstersarse]@AlfonsoTheUnrepentant

Misrepresentation and exaggeration/propaganda www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-59405471

Actual numbers www.icnarc.org/Our-Audit/Audits/Cmp/Reports go to the most recent report, top right. page 46.

November 2021 figures for covid-19 patients in ICU by vaccination status:

Unvaccinated: 45%

One dose: 5%
Two doses: 50%[/quote]
The entire article bbc article:

bbc

Doctors have warned hospital wards are being "brought to their knees" largely by unvaccinated Covid-19 patients.

Gloucestershire Royal Hospital said its Intensive Therapy Unit (ITU) had reached capacity.

It said the number of patients with Covid in the hospital was lower than at this time last year, but it had more patients in its intensive therapy unit.

Intensive care doctors have urged people to have the Covid-19 vaccination "because it does make a difference".

Intensive care consultant Dave Windsor, said: "Please, please, get your vaccine, because it does make a difference.

"At the moment, we have a six-bedded area in our intensive care for those needing critical care, but we also have a respiratory high care area too and plenty of ward space.

"But obviously, that facility is needed for Covid patients and isn't available for other patients, which is why we are seeing such huge demand this time."

Gloucestershire Hospitals NHS Trust anaesthetic registrar Graham Walkden said: "The hospitals have been brought to their knees.

"We're seeing younger people, unvaccinated, who take up around 75 percent of the intensive care beds and that's not just here, that's nationally.

"But 25 percent of those who come in have done the right thing and got vaccinated, but because of other things, have struggled to cope with a nasty Covid pneumonia."

So, that article as an own goal. It proves what I have been saying.

I haven't heard much abuse towards to unvaccinated, it's mainly the other way around.

Me, as a vaccinated person had been told to 'wake up' that 'I'm a sheeple' many times, always aggressively.

Anti vaxxers seem to be the ones that are getting annoyed at other peoples vax status. Not the vaccinated.

@hamstersarse, sorry but the ICNARC report proves nothing. It is titled: ICNARC report on COVID-19 in critcal care: Northern Ireland
10 December 2021 and discusses demographics, treatment and outcomes.

On both cases, your posts have failed to prove your point.

@LifeIsWhat - perhaps you could be so kind as to share which page that figure is found (yes; I read the report and could not find it). Thank you.

@hamsterarse - which page on the ICNARC are your vaccination figures from, please? There is nothing in the Table of Contents, charts or tables that notes this. Thank you.

@Nextlevelnonsense, Sorry. Which data are you looking for?
I'm happy to help anyone who needs it.

Excellent! Thank you for the offer. Can you please tell me which page @hamstersarse's statistics about vaccinations comes from? The link is posted above in one of @hamsterarse's posts. I have gone through the report and cannot find it. (And, yes, I am very familiar with both the terminology and data analysis.) Thank you!

@Adirondack

Reasons I’m annoyed with anti vaxxers: Because if everyone eligible had had their vaccine we probably wouldn’t be in the mess we are now. Because every unvaccinated person requiring hospital treatment is an entirely avoidable cost. Because people should do things to help others and society and not be so selfish. Because people should do proper research and not believe conspiracy nonsense on the internet. Because all the extra pressure on the nhs risks treatment for others being cancelled or delayed. Because extending the pandemic by not being vaccinated will affect children’s learning and time in school and it’s not fair on them.

This and more Because a good friend and father of three is waiting for a bone-marrow transplant whilst selfish-non vaccinated people hog the hospital bed he needs. Because my 2020 trip to see my sister in Australia which then became a 2021 trip, is now likely to be a 2022 trip at the earliest (haven't see her since 2018). Because continually shut borders mean I am unlikely to see my uncle before he dies. Because of the enormous cost of hospitalising people who wouldn't have needed hospital if they were vaccinated. Because non-vaxxers' "freedom" is holding everyone else hostage. Because I have friends who work in sectors that have been shut down time after time and who now can't afford to feed themselves. Because my niece (paramedic) is going out to significantly higher numbers of suicide attempts Because my friend who is an intensive care nurse of 25 years has been pushed to the edge and is planning to give up nursing due to the toll the pandemic has had on her health, relationship and kids Because my non-vaxxed brother has just ruined Christmas, not only for our family, but also for several of his colleagues (by going to work whilst ill)

I'm sorry, @Frymetothemoon. This all sounds very difficult and I hope 2022 is better.

[quote hamstersarse]@Dishhh

Oooo get you dissing Carl Henegan.

Did you read on Facebook the Professor Carl Henegan of Oxford University is a Very Bad Person and you must not ever expose your very pure pretty mind to his very bad words?[/quote]
I don't think his morality is relevant really @hamstersarse

It's more the fact that he repeatedly makes statements not backed by robust evidence.

I wouldn’t be rude to someone who hasn’t had the jab, but I do think they are selfish (obviously excluding people who can’t be jabbed for medical reasons).

Yes it’s their choice. Just like it’s people’s choice to smoke in the street. These choices affect other people so I judge them.

Personal choice doesn’t protect you from other people’s opinions of you.