65% of hospitalisations are vaccinated.

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fullfact.org/health/economist-vaccination-status/?s=09

No one is denying bmi is a risk factor, but you seem weirdly fixated on it.

@Innocenta again, you haven’t provided a single example of misinformation or ‘spreading myths’ - everything I have expressed an opinion on is backed up by data from official sources and I have linked to them several times. You may not agree with my opinions but you can’t just throw around false accusations and try to get people’s posts deleted simply because you don’t like their opinions. You have been bullying people and throwing around antivax accusations all over this board. Plenty of people have picked up on it.

And no, I don’t think anyone here or in mnhq is in denial of covid. That’s yet another one of your false accusations with no merit.

@Nothinbut some people have actually - a few people on this thread think it’s only a risk factor if your BMI > 40 which clearly isn’t the case.

I just think it’s an important issue that could increase vaccine uptake, save lives and reduce hospitalisations. I think it’s being avoided because it’s politically unpalatable and people don’t want to be accused of ‘fat shaming’.

@Nothinbut

No one is denying bmi is a risk factor, but you seem weirdly fixated on it.

True. Apparently only fatties are at real risk from COVID and virtuous slender people don't need to take the nasty bad vaccine. Personally I'd far rather see everyone who is medically able get vaccinated.

Being underweight is also a risk factor, I'm sure adults are capable of finding out info themselves and judging their risk. Seen as though the majority of the country are overweight I don't see it as a huge surprise that lots of people within that group are affected; their tactic of prioritising 40+ bmi seems sensible. Why are you so obsessed?

@bumbleymummy

Yep. So can we stop saying that hospitals are ‘being overwhelmed by unvaccinated people’ now please?

Just to remind everyone of the first post from bumbley. Which was in response to the OP.

Continuing to message against the government. Continuing their anti vaxx narrative. Please do not take this poster seriously.

It's always well someone else should have it isn't it, yes absolutely the biggest benefit is personal so it makes sense that x groups should be heavily encouraged in having it, but there is also a societal benefit to having as many people as possible vaccinated. My friend is very much against them and everyone is sheep blah blah, not arsed at her choice as its her to make, but her preaching about how stupid everyone is whilst enjoying the benefits is annoying.

No, elderly people and people with underlying health conditions are at highest risk. That’s why they’ve (quite rightly) been prioritised for vaccines/boosters. But I know you know that already.

@bumbleymummy (1) I've clearly outlined for you why I don't get into back-and-forths with anti-vaxxers. Feel free to review the post again.

(2) @Scautish summed it up; I'm not sure why you need me to repeat it. Every time you intentionally undermine the NHS guidance about vaccination, you are misleading vulnerable and potentially distressed people. Misleading people about vaccine efficacy and safety leads to avoidable deaths.

1. I think the vaccines have been very effective at reducing serious illness/hospitalisations and deaths and I have clearly stated what I think we should be doing to increase vaccination uptake in a particularly vulnerable group. That does not make me antivax.

2. I haven’t undermined nhs guidance at all. I have expressed an opinion based on official data. You don’t have to agree with that opinion. Do you have a problem with people saying that we need to try to increase uptake in the BAME population because they currently have some of the lowest rates of uptake and are at increased risk of serious illness?

www.gponline.com/publicity-campaign-needed-boost-bame-covid-19-vaccine-uptake-rcgp-warns/article/1706700

We’re GP online ‘going against nhs guidance’ too by highlighting one specific group? I think your argument is silly.

@bumbleymummy

Yep. So can we stop saying that hospitals are ‘being overwhelmed by unvaccinated people’ now please?

Again. This is your First post. A denial that there is a problem with the unvaccinated.

The unvaccinated are huge problem and you’re completely minimising. And I suspect, trying to justify your own vaccination status.

Unless you can provide a link to a peer reviewed paper focusing on BMI and exactly what you are stating let’s treat it just as an opinion (and not an expert one). We don’t want people to assume they are too healthy to need a vaccine which is just not the case.

Btw that article is from Feb 2021.

There is no cure for viruses. every year norovirus and colds come out at this time of the year. Why are people so surprised? It's a nice idea though. Currently got a sick bug in my house and wish they'd find a cure.

User, I linked to a study from the Lancet Diabetes and Endocrinology journal a few pages ago. It discusses the increased risk from BMI.

Yes, I know when it’s from.

No, scautish, a recognition that we can’t blame unvaccinated people for ‘overwhelming’ hospitals when they’re in the minority. The fact that I have spoke at length about trying to encourage vaccine uptake in the group that are currently making up the majority in ICU shows that I very much recognise that there is a problem.

Spoken

Which is the highest risk factor, having a BMI of over 25, or being unvaccinated?

Are you vaccinated bumble?

Good questions

Blimey @Scautish - do you seriously think @bumbleymummy needs to "justify" a medical decision she may or may not have made? That it's even reasonable to expect her to divulge her medical status to you? I just.... Oh, never mind. The world really has gone bonkers.

BECAUSE, DOUGAL, A VERY SMALL % OF A VERY LARGE NUMBER OF VACCINATED PEOPLE IS SMALLER THAN A VERY LARGE % OF A SMALL NUMBER OF UNVACCINATED PEOPLE.

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@Squleamish

Blimey *@Scautish - do you seriously think @bumbleymummy* needs to "justify" a medical decision she may or may not have made? That it's even reasonable to expect her to divulge her medical status to you? I just.... Oh, never mind. The world really has gone bonkers.

On a thread discussing its not that wild of a question though is it. Bumbley is so obsessed with pointing out it's the fatties fault that why shouldn't someone question if they have been vaccinated themselves. I'm guessing they haven't, although some will be triggered I'd love for restrictions to be eased further for those who have been vaccinated and those who have chosen not to can enjoy being stuck at home.

@Scautish

Are you vaccinated bumble?

She has stated on a previous thread that she is not.

@Unmerited

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