Vaccinations to made a legal requirement in Austria from Feb 2022

[littlelordfuckleroy]

Days after Austria imposed a lockdown on the unvaccinated, it has announced a full national Covid-19 lockdown starting on Monday.

Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg said it would last at least 10 days and there would be a legal requirement to get vaccinated from 1 February 2022.

Jesus. I'm shocked by that. I'm not an antivaxxer but I still very concerned that a country could make any vaccine a legal requirement! I feel it's a step too far.

@doublemonkey

Seems like my post with a link to a petition expressing concerns about vaccine passes being introduced in this country has been deleted.

It's easy to find if anyone wants to sign. It's called Together Declaration.

It's called the Together Declaration and the people behind it are a group of homophobic church leaders. Funny how they want freedom not to have to show a QR code but not to live life peacefully in one's own sexuality.
It's an old petition started earlier this year and the people associated with it have been discredited constantly for more than one of their repugnant beliefs.

"a dangerous president has been set"

I hope someone rescues him soon.

That AWitchCalledMeg's incoherent drivel is hailed as "best comment on this thread" just proves that it is full of nutters who think Covid isn't real. 5 million deaths ffs!

@PAFMO, can you post a link supporting your statement? Cheers.

@doublemonkey

The Together Declaration are just COVID-deniers by another name.

They are calling for no testing, no masks, no COVID status passports (i.e., where evidence of a negative test or a previous infection would be an alternative to vaccination) , no lockdown measures, no suppression measures like social distancing, no vaccination for teens, and that no information/public awareness campaigns for vaccination should be held.

Pretending the pandemic isn't happening won't make it go away. Not sure why an evidence-based campaign advocating for no mandatory vaccination for the general population (run by people without homophobic and racist ties) doesn't seem to exist. It's all these insane extreme groups.

[quote ollyollyoxenfree]@doublemonkey

The Together Declaration are just COVID-deniers by another name.

They are calling for no testing, no masks, no COVID status passports (i.e., where evidence of a negative test or a previous infection would be an alternative to vaccination) , no lockdown measures, no suppression measures like social distancing, no vaccination for teens, and that no information/public awareness campaigns for vaccination should be held.

Pretending the pandemic isn't happening won't make it go away. Not sure why an evidence-based campaign advocating for no mandatory vaccination for the general population (run by people without homophobic and racist ties) doesn't seem to exist. It's all these insane extreme groups.[/quote]
Evidence of being perfectly healthy with a robust immune system sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Many of us have had covid and recovered.

Please post links to alleged homophobia and racist ties.

Evidence of being perfectly healthy with a robust immune system sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Many of us have had covid and recovered.

Uhuh, that was exactly my point @doublemonkey

So why is this crackpot group demanding no COVID status passports?

As I said in my post, they are anti all suppression measures including just this.

I wish it hadn't come to this but as it has, I'm pleased. I've been talking since day one of lockdowns about how, as soon you as you accept that the number one priority over everything else is to 'stay safe' from one single health threat, you are on very dangerous territory that leads nowhere good. Maybe this will wake some people up and make them realise that there has to be a very hard, well-defined boundary around the rights another person can take from you for their own benefit. This is very very far down the slippery slope - much farther than even I thought it'd go - and it simply won't achieve anything besides anger, unrest and division. It is pointless, unnecessarily threatening and punitive and ultimately futile. And I would say the same thing about denying people the right to see their own siblings or denying the children the right to play with each other. Too much nonsense has been accepted with the 'it's a pandemic' excuse and it really has to stop.

I will add though that the Feb 1 deadline is deliberate - by the time it gets to then they'll say 'we've had enough uptake/enough drop in cases that we don't need to enforce this.' They won't enforce it. I will state that for anyone who'd like to dredge this up and quote me (for good or bad) in a few months time. This is the worst sort of bullying behaviour - threatening someone with something you have no intention of actually doing. It really is a disappointing moment in human history.

Looking at the waves across various US states, which vary hugely in terms of the severity of their restrictions, leads me to believe that a lot of these mitigations do precious little and are performative and based on the human need to feel we are doing something to somehow control a situation that isn't necessarily that controllable.

@ollyollyoxenfree

Evidence of being perfectly healthy with a robust immune system sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Many of us have had covid and recovered.

Uhuh, that was exactly my point @doublemonkey

So why is this crackpot group demanding no COVID status passports?

As I said in my post, they are anti all suppression measures including just this.

You're putting a weird spin on this.

I wonder what your motives are when you describe a group campaigning for our basic human rights and civil liberties as 'crackpot'.

@MaxNormal

Looking at the waves across various US states, which vary hugely in terms of the severity of their restrictions, leads me to believe that a lot of these mitigations do precious little and are performative and based on the human need to feel we are doing something to somehow control a situation that isn't necessarily that controllable.

@MaxNormal

You're claiming all suppression measures - masks, testing, isolation, vaccination, SD, lockdown, vaccination - do not make a difference?

Have posted many times on why cherry picking US states and comparing their raw case numbers based on restrictions is not robust.

You're claiming all suppression measures - masks, testing, isolation, vaccination, SD, lockdown, vaccination - do not make a difference?

I'm saying I'm not really certain how much of a difference.
I distrust any strong claims on either side.

You're putting a weird spin on this.

I'm really not, you said that a previous COVID infection should be enough. I pointed out this group are not even considering this an alternative to being vaccination.

I wonder what your motives are when you describe a group campaigning for our basic human rights and civil liberties as 'crackpot'.
Nice try, but they aren't crackpots because they're campaigning for human rights, they're crackpots because they're anti any suppression measures that are a feasible compromise to harsh things like mandatory vaccination, and have previously shared reams of misinformation including denying coronavirus is a problem.

^@doublemonkey

@ollyollyoxenfree

You're putting a weird spin on this.

I'm really not, you said that a previous COVID infection should be enough. I pointed out this group are not even considering this an alternative to being vaccination.

I wonder what your motives are when you describe a group campaigning for our basic human rights and civil liberties as 'crackpot'.
Nice try, but they aren't crackpots because they're campaigning for human rights, they're crackpots because they're anti any suppression measures that are a feasible compromise to harsh things like mandatory vaccination, and have previously shared reams of misinformation including denying coronavirus is a problem.

You are twisting the truth. If you have receipts then post some links. Otherwise you're the one who sounds like a crackpot.

You are twisting the truth. If you have receipts then post some links. Otherwise you're the one who sounds like a crackpot.

@doublemonkey

All the information about what they are asking for (i.e., no suppression measures) is on their webite and SM accounts. I would have assumed you would know what a group you are backing is campaining.

I'll repeat again - you said that a previous COVID infection should be enough. I pointed out this group are not even considering this an alternative to being vaccinated.

@ollyollyoxenfree

You are twisting the truth. If you have receipts then post some links. Otherwise you're the one who sounds like a crackpot.

@doublemonkey

All the information about what they are asking for (i.e., no suppression measures) is on their webite and SM accounts. I would have assumed you would know what a group you are backing is campaining.

I'll repeat again - you said that a previous COVID infection should be enough. I pointed out this group are not even considering this an alternative to being vaccinated.

Well that's even better isn't it? Showing any kind of medical status to get into a pub is ridiculous, isn't it?

You were also claiming homophobia and racism. Receipts for that?

Well that's even better isn't it? Showing any kind of medical status to get into a pub is ridiculous, isn't it?

Ok so now you're saying it shouldn't be needed?

In the context of a pandemic, no not really. A COVID status passport would reduce transmission - it means that people who don't want to be vaccinated have the alternative of demonstrating they have immunity from infection, or alternatively, a recent negative test.

I'm not sure of the rationale of someone who would refuse to be vaccinated and refuse any compromise such as that described above, unless they do not think COVID is a problem and want to pretend it's not happening.

And if you do not think COVID is an issue, and no suppression measures are needed as it'll just disppear if we pretend its not happening, then I don't think a rational conversation can be had.

It was me who said homophobia. I didn't mention racism for the people behind this particular Declaration.
Did you not know who they were and other things they stood for?
There's been quite a lot about them in the press.

You were also claiming homophobia and racism. Receipts for that?

As much as I'm finding this one-way demand for "receipts" amusing, I didn't say the Together group were homophobic or racist, although, given the high correlation of extreme COVID opinions with these views, it wouldn't be a huge suprise @doublemonkey

@doublemonkey
You asked @ollyollyoxenfree for receipts in your post of 11.23.
She quoted that back to you.
Then you said "receipts for what" in your post of 11.30. (as though it had been pp and not you mentioning receipts for the first time)

Having had a quick look, they seem to be a little economical with the truth on issues such as what JCVI actually said about vaccination for under 16s.

William Philip is most certainly homophobic:

Asked whether a gay person would be welcome in his secessionist church, he said: "We're all in recovery from our addiction to sin. It doesn't help an addict to be told, 'Don't worry, your sin doesn't really matter.'

www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/13245021.amp/

Jamie Franklin has defended homophobia, Desmond Swayne MP thinks blackface is ‘a bit of fun’ though he has recently resiled from his own earlier homophobia, in fairness to him.

@ollyollyoxenfree in the context of a pandemic, if you’re trying to reduce spread, you would require testing for everyone and not exempt people just because they’ve had a vaccine that doesn’t actually prevent infection/transmission.

Eek, I didn't realise the the Together group are possibly homophobic or racist. That's absolutely horrifying to me. In fact, one of the reasons I'm so opposed to vaccine passports is because I think they could be discriminatory.
I wouldn't have signed the petition had I known. But, don't worry doublemonkey I don't blame you. The source of a petition isn't always obvious.
I do tend to sign petitions very quickly, without doing much research. My own fault. Mea culpa

@WanderingFruitWonderer

Eek, I didn't realise the the Together group are possibly homophobic or racist. That's absolutely horrifying to me. In fact, one of the reasons I'm so opposed to vaccine passports is because I think they could be discriminatory. I wouldn't have signed the petition had I known. But, don't worry doublemonkey I don't blame you. The source of a petition isn't always obvious. I do tend to sign petitions very quickly, without doing much research. My own fault. Mea culpa

Don't worry, they're not. It's a common cancel culture tactic used to demonize, delegitimize and deplatform people.