Austria unvaccinated lockdown

[MRex]

How is this expected to actually work in practice? I have only seen basic UK news articles, interested mostly to understand the practical implications.

Personal views without knowing detail: I simply don't see any way this can be achieved without infringing on personal freedoms of unvaccinated and vaccinated quite significantly. I'm very pro-vax in general and for covid, but I hope the UK doesn't start anything like this, seems like it would just have anyone digging their heels in and cause a lot of social unrest issues.

@Coldpressed

It is still so very extremely rare for healthy people under 30 to be hospitalised with covid. The majority being hospitalised are vaccinated anyway.

Not where I live. This is why more measures are being introduced, because the majority being hospitalised (here) aren't vaccinated and this is a dangerous trend that could see us all in a longer lockdown again.

Very odd that the ratio could vary so much between England and Germany's official data. I hope we find out the truth one day.

@Coldpressed

It is still so very extremely rare for healthy people under 30 to be hospitalised with covid. The majority being hospitalised are vaccinated anyway.

I dont think thats correct- the majority in hospital are unvaccinated- go check. And besides the people under 30 who are not getting sick are still spreading it. The less infections we have the better we are its really that easy!

@EileenGC Thank you.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-surveillance-reports

Have a look for yourself

@Coldpressed

Very odd that the ratio could vary so much between England and Germany's official data. I hope we find out the truth one day.

But there is no disparity. Theres also no need to wait for truth 'one day'! You can see it now, online if you go read the actual hospitalisation figures! Every country publishes them.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-surveillance-reports

If you're saying that the majority hospitalised with covid in Germany are vaccinated, that's a huge disparity with the official data in England. Have a look for yourself.

@Coldpressed

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-surveillance-reports

Have a look for yourself

I did!

Page 6

Effectiveness against hospitalisation
Several studies have estimated vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation in older ages, all of
which indicate higher levels of protection against hospitalisation with all vaccines against the
Alpha variant (7, 8, 9, 10). Effectiveness against hospitalisation of over 90% is also observed
with the Delta variant with all 3 vaccines (Figure 2, 3). In most groups there is relatively limited
waning of protection against hospitalisation over a period of at least 5 months after the second
dose.

@Colin56

That tells you nothing about the proportions of vaccinated and unvaccinated making up the patients in hospital. Page 19 clearly shows that the large majority of people being hospitalised with covid are vaccinated.

@Coldpressed

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-surveillance-reports

If you're saying that the majority hospitalised with covid in Germany are vaccinated, that's a huge disparity with the official data in England. Have a look for yourself.

I dont think you understand comparatives. What in Germany compared to what in UK? Age? Vax Staus? Go look at Prof Francois Balloux on twitter to understand this better.

Since Eileen said quite clearly that according to official data the majority of Germans in hospital with covid were unvaccinated. I understand perfectly well, thanks.

I read what you linked to as well and it says this The rate of hospitalisation within 28 days of a positive COVID-19 test increases with age, and is substantially greater in unvaccinated individuals compared to vaccinated individuals.
The rate of death within 28 days or within 60 days of a positive COVID-19 test increases with age, and again is substantially greater in unvaccinated individuals compared to fully vaccinated individuals.

*- since

@milkyaqua

It's certainly one way of handling the refuseniks, as they head into winter.

what ugly terminology, you sound like a daily mail-bot.

im pro vaccine but your rhetoric makes me puke.

[quote Coldpressed]@Colin56

That tells you nothing about the proportions of vaccinated and unvaccinated making up the patients in hospital. Page 19 clearly shows that the large majority of people being hospitalised with covid are vaccinated.[/quote]
You are still more likely to end up in hospital if you are unvaccinated. It's clear as day. Unvaccinated people are more likely to put a strain on the health service than vaccinated people.

[quote Coldpressed]@Colin56

That tells you nothing about the proportions of vaccinated and unvaccinated making up the patients in hospital. Page 19 clearly shows that the large majority of people being hospitalised with covid are vaccinated.[/quote]
@Coldpressed
In the most recent report on page 18 and 19 it shows the majority testing positive or presenting at emergency are non vaccinated. Read the tables again.

@Mynameismargot

I read what you linked to as well and it says this The rate of hospitalisation within 28 days of a positive COVID-19 test increases with age, and is substantially greater in unvaccinated individuals compared to vaccinated individuals. The rate of death within 28 days or within 60 days of a positive COVID-19 test increases with age, and again is substantially greater in unvaccinated individuals compared to fully vaccinated individuals.

But that's not what I've been speaking about with Eileen. She said that the majority of patients in hospital with covid in Germany are unvaxxed. I said that it is the opposite here. It's a simple metric. Rates are not the metric we were explicitly comparing, but the proportion of covid patients in hospital that are vaxxed and unvaxxed.

@Coldpressed

Since Eileen said quite clearly that according to official data the majority of Germans in hospital with covid were unvaccinated. I understand perfectly well, thanks.

Thats like saying the majority of cars in crashes have seat belts...

@Colin56

Are you looking at a different table? That is literally the opposite of what it says.

*what ugly terminology, you sound like a daily mail-bot.

im pro vaccine but your rhetoric makes me puke*

I am glad to see this. Get fed up with people bitching about the more vocal anti-vaxxers wearing gold stars etc, but stuff like "refuseniks" goes with no comment at all.

@Colin56

We were discussing the vaccination status of the majority of patients in hospital. Not rates. Highly relevant when people start talking about a "pandemic of the unvaccinated".

@Coldpressed you cannot compare Germany to UK without saying what you are comparing. It has to be like with like.
Example: The % of male patients unvaxxed under 30 and over 20 years of age vs the same demographic otherwise results are incorrect and you are misinforming yourself.

@XenoBitch

I really hope people protest about this. But then it is the boiling frog thing, isn't it.

I know what to do if this comes to the UK.

I'm stupid. How's it the boiling frog thing?

[quote Colin56]@Coldpressed you cannot compare Germany to UK without saying what you are comparing. It has to be like with like.
Example: The % of male patients unvaxxed under 30 and over 20 years of age vs the same demographic otherwise results are incorrect and you are misinforming yourself.[/quote]
Have you had another look at the table? The number of patients in the second dose +14 days column vastly outnumbers the number in the unvaccinated. It's an indisputable fact.

I'm not misinforming myself. I've only spoken about the proportion of vaccinated and unvaccinated in hospital. I thought it was unusual that this metric differed so much from what's being recorded in Germany. It's very simple and objective.

[quote Coldpressed]@Colin56

Are you looking at a different table? That is literally the opposite of what it says.[/quote]
See below. Highest proportion of case and admission is non vaxxed.