Incoming............coercion of the over 65s.

[MercyBooth]

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-pass-booster-jab-sajid-javid-b1954946.html

@PuzzledObserver

What activities are un-boostered over 65’s going to be banned from…. night clubs?

Love it!

restaurants and trains apparently

Still find it scary how u unquestioning people are.

You forgot to use the word “sheeple”.

@MercyBooth

restaurants and trains apparently

If it happens. There is no suggestion that it will happen imminently and it may not happen at all.

However, it is happening in other countries of course. Since I intend to have whatever boosters are offered I'm not too bothered personally about this, provided people aren't restricted by failure to have a vaccination that they can't access.

Triple vaccinated and quite happy about it. I also have no issue with this being a yearly booster. I doubt many people have an issue.

Genuine question:

For those who favor these sorts of mandates, is it based on the belief that the vaccines prevent infection, and people who don't get them are therefore a danger to others because they're much more likely to infect others with covid? Or is it enough that vaccines reduce a vaccinated person's risk of death, so people should be required to do it for their own good regardless of whether anyone else is affected?

I think vaccines reduce transmission and severity of infection and the more people who are fully vaccinated the better. However, this is not a mandate. I would think it likely that the majority eligible for a booster who are over 65 would want to access one if it's offered.

Well considering that the queue for the vaccination bus yesterday started forming at 9am in the rain, when the bus didn't open until 10am and that people had traveled from all over the district (rural so a relatively big area), I don't think that too much coercion is needed.
Even in the rain the queue wound its way round the co op carpark and it was like that all day

I have booked my booster. I am 60. I give it no more thought than getting my annual flu jab, having vaccinations to travel to certain countries or making sure my children had the MMR, meningitis and hpv jabs. I'm just grateful to live in a country where all of these protections are easy to access.

@Skinnytailedsquirrel

And all these anti vaxxers need to remember they are probably only here because they had polio and tetanus and mumps and measles etc etc vaccines when they were small.

We used to stand in a queue in school and get the jab.

Saved thousands and thousands of lives.

They're so 'anti vaxx' that they've had all their vaccines 😂

Maybe they aren't 'anti vaxx' after all and merely cautious about a new vaccine.

@MercyBooth

How many times have our Government said something isnt going to happen and then it does. How long do you expect us to keep falling for this shit over and over.

Many times during this pandemic.

Generally because the government goes out on a limb and says it won't do what other countries are doing to fight the virus.

Then a couple of weeks, months down the line it sees that those mitigations and/or restrictions have worked so it does a U-turn.

Who is Graham Bridge?

@PurpleOkapi

Genuine question:

For those who favor these sorts of mandates, is it based on the belief that the vaccines prevent infection, and people who don't get them are therefore a danger to others because they're much more likely to infect others with covid? Or is it enough that vaccines reduce a vaccinated person's risk of death, so people should be required to do it for their own good regardless of whether anyone else is affected?

Your points aren't subjective beliefs, it's a fact that if you are vaccinated you are less likely to catch Covid, less likely to pass it on, and less likely to get ill with it if you do get it.

I am in favour of mandates for certain jobs, certainly. Jobs where someone's personal choice not to protect themselves might have a knock on negative effect on others. The moral question is where do my rights (not to have) end and my responsibilities (to those I come into contact with) begin.

Yes, (obviously) the vaccine isn't perfect, and yes, protection wanes over time. The people accusing science of having lied and gaslighted them into thinking otherwise are simply showing their own lack of knowledge about how this type of vaccine (and others) work.

The article in any case is all hypothetical, as others have said.

Might it happen? Sure.
Is it a certainty? No.
Will the majority of people at whatever age take up the booster? Yes

@PurpleOkapi

Genuine question:

For those who favor these sorts of mandates, is it based on the belief that the vaccines prevent infection, and people who don't get them are therefore a danger to others because they're much more likely to infect others with covid? Or is it enough that vaccines reduce a vaccinated person's risk of death, so people should be required to do it for their own good regardless of whether anyone else is affected?

My biggest problem with the unvaccinated is the disproportionate strain they are putting on the health service. They could do something really simple to change that but choose not to. Where I live more than half of those with covid in ICU are unvaccinated, only 7% of adults are not vaccinated. That is wildly disproportionate.

It's just so needless, all of the extra resources they are taking up, the upset they are causing for those who love them, the stress they are placing on health care workers, preventing other people from accessing health services etc The pointlessness and stupidity of it all astounds me. An hour out of their day and they could have prevented it. It's pathetic.

If vaccine passports get some of those people to cop on then I'm all for them.

The thing about not being anti vax, just ‘cautious’ about a new one really sums up the selfish individualistic nature of this movement. If everyone decided they weren’t going to have a new vaccine, no vaccine ever would become established and so much pain, disease and death would happen unnecessarily. Imagine if this concerted effort to protest new vaccines took hold, became widespread and had stopped herd immunity being established against polio etc. The argument of not taking it because it’s new, as well as betraying an enormous lack of understanding, relies entirely on enough other people having it - otherwise what happens to society? Where are we without these vaccines? In perpetual lockdown? Or allowing the virus to spread unchecked, no slowing down, and let health services become utterly overwhelmed? What is the alternative to mass vaccination and what state would we be in if everyone refused new medical advances?

Given the percentage of people already vaccinated, and some will be exempt for health reasons, this will affect the minority. They have a choice.

This comes from someone who really didn't want the vaccine when it was in production, I was scared. I thought long and about it and realised it was the right thing to do to help protect myself and others in terms of covid, but hospital beds, a better quality of life everyone and also mental well being of many.

Consequently I'm proud to say I've had all three jabs as soon as I could.

Well done ifonly4, it can't have been easy to overcome your fear.

Vaccine passports? Bring it on. Don't care.

I'm over 65.

My Mother had to provide proof of my vaccinations before I started school.

I had to provide proof of yellow fever vaccination before I entered certain countries before Covid.

Anyone who has lived through and got Mumps, measles, german measles etc, (before there were vaccines) and been really poorly, just does not care about having to prove they're vaccinated.

I have no idea what the problem is.
I was so delighted to get my booster last week. It means the chances of me ending up on a ventilator are minimised.

@PuzzledObserver

What activities are un-boostered over 65’s going to be banned from…. night clubs?

I’d be gutted if I couldn’t go clubbing.

MIL is 84 and lives in the back end of beyond (rural S Gloucestershire) they now have the vax/booster centre on a college/industrial site bloody miles from anywhere. She can't drive, everyone who can has gone back to work. It is, of course, not doing appointments at the weekend.

Perhaps if "the government " actually made it easy to access these essential services and didn't assume everyone has access to cars, more people would have taken it up already.

Is the vaccine passport the thing you can get on the NHS app or printed out that says you have been vaccinated ? So if you choose to have the booster it's just updated ?

Why just the over 65's ? Anyone who had their last jab six months ago is eligible for a booster I thought ? So it would be over 65's , the CEV, healthcare and social care staff, or is it just a bit too wordy to include them ? And what about the people who can't have the booster yet ?

I can't see this happening in the next six months, you would need to make sure that most of the vaccinated population can be included, otherwise it all gets a bit messy.

Am slightly too young for a booster but would have one every year if offered.
Am also in favour of Covid passports.

@BeyondMyWits , not sure about where your MIL lives, but I live in another largely rural area and there is a volunteer service which charges a reduced rate compared to a taxi to take people to appointments. If you contact the local social services they may know of volunteer organisations that could help with transport.

I do agree that if you want people to do something, you should make it as accessible as possible.

The figures show that take up of boosters has been poor and this is translating to
Increasing numbers of double jabbed vulnerable people in hospital.
Javid’s stance has been made clear on mandatory vaccination. He believes in it so expect more of this stuff. Did people really think it was only going to be nhs and care home staff? That makes no sense without introducing restrictions to the public using those areas and to the groups that are causing the rise in hospital admissions. It will be done step by step so that the majority don’t complain as it’s ‘ok for that group’. Personally I think there are better ways of achieving the goal

@frumpety

Is the vaccine passport the thing you can get on the NHS app or printed out that says you have been vaccinated ? So if you choose to have the booster it's just updated ?

Why just the over 65's ? Anyone who had their last jab six months ago is eligible for a booster I thought ? So it would be over 65's , the CEV, healthcare and social care staff, or is it just a bit too wordy to include them ? And what about the people who can't have the booster yet ?

I can't see this happening in the next six months, you would need to make sure that most of the vaccinated population can be included, otherwise it all gets a bit messy.

The NHS pass you mention is effectively a "Covid pass" for other countries etc, yes. Should it be decided that producing confirmation you've been vaccinated is mandatory to enter in the workplace/restaurants/public transport etc (like has been introduced in other countries) then I imagine the existing NHS pass will be that vaccine passport, yes.

I don't know about the updating- presumably it's done automatically? I know that in countries like Italy if you don't have your second dose your Covid pass becomes invalid, so probably will be the same with the booster. The pass you already have will be updated, and possibly your two doses will become void if you choose not to.

There's a lot of language confusion really- I'm in a travel advice FB group and only last weekend someone was saying they couldn't travel to somewhere because they didn't have a Covid passport but only an NHS pass. For the country they wanted to go to (like most EU countries) the agreement is reciprocal. EU country accepts NHS vaccine cert as Covid pass and vice versa.

Coercian of over 65’s😂

I’m 57, just had mine.

You need to get used to this world op. Europe, Scotland and Wales all want Covid passes.