Vaccines to be compulsory for front line medical staff

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59215282

The covid vaccine, but not the flu vaccine. Although, I suppose the door has been opened for that one now too. They’re being given until spring. I wonder if there will be a massive walk out before winter. If you thought you were going to lose your job come spring, why would you work your ass off all winter? This could majorly backfire.

It's not just nurses is it, it's frontline staff, isn't that people like porters

@User5632986 Yes I know that, NHS is 27 days annual leave in addition to the 8 days bank holidays.

NHS also give 29 after 5 years service and 30 days after 10 year service.

NHS deserve better pay and conditions, however, plenty of people get annoyed by SOME NHS staff who seem to think they have a monopoly on hard work and tough conditions.

Well if care home's have to have it, why should NHS get away with it.

I'm beginning to sound like a broken record, the amount of times I've said it on other threads.

[quote Rosehip10]@User5632986 Please show me these other "minimum wage" jobs with 27+ days annual leave, decent pension, decent maternity leave etc etc
Yes, many jobs in the NHS are busy and stressful, so are many jobs - carers for example get none of the above in their jobs.[/quote]
NHS starters get stat maternity pay and 25 days holidays. You have to work there 1 year before you get better mat pay and longer for more holidays.

[quote Rosehip10]@User5632986 Yes I know that, NHS is 27 days annual leave in addition to the 8 days bank holidays.

NHS also give 29 after 5 years service and 30 days after 10 year service.

NHS deserve better pay and conditions, however, plenty of people get annoyed by SOME NHS staff who seem to think they have a monopoly on hard work and tough conditions.[/quote]
But they will have harder work and tougher conditions if more of them leave. It doesn't take a genius to understand why people will leave. Even if they don't leave because of the vaccine, they might leave because others do and it takes months to replace them and they're sick of doing several jobs... It's like a domino effect

@vodkaredbullgirl

Well if care home's have to have it, why should NHS get away with it.

I'm beginning to sound like a broken record, the amount of times I've said it on other threads.

I don't believe in mandatory vaccination for anyone or any job.

The three nurses I know are all leaving over this apparently. I don’t know what this means for the staffing crisis already in full swing. It’s a complex one but taking away someone’s choice doesn’t feel right to me, especially when the vaccine is proving so short term/unreliable/risky.

@xxxGirlCrushxxx

The vaccines arent a fail safe anyway

We are on the third, soon to be fourth.... how many will be needed?

So what?

@vodkaredbullgirl

Well if care home's have to have it, why should NHS get away with it.

I'm beginning to sound like a broken record, the amount of times I've said it on other threads.

most people against this believe care home staff shouldn’t have been forced into it!

I'm vaccinated . Had my booster and flu jab as well over the past month.
I don't condemn people who make their own personal decision no to have the vaccine. We are all adults and the majority of us have enough capacity to make that informed choice.

Our patients don't have to be vaccinated
Our visitors don't have to be vaccinated
This does not prevent them from care or visits.
People seem to think all the elderly are vaccinated, they are not.
But the care sector is willing to sack hundreds of thousands of staff across the care system.
This is wrong.
We can not force our patients or visitors to be vaccinated.
Where will this shit show end?
Our trust at the weekend was working on 84% staff
When this vaccine mandate come in trusts will be fucked
Care homes are already feeling it.
And it's not the well you should of had your vaccination. That's not the answer.

*edited as on another thread

@xxxGirlCrushxxx

Good point about staff being able to refuse to treat unvaccinated

No. We treat all patients fairly and with compassion even if we don’t agree with the choices they make. It’s part of the deal of working in a caring profession. If my colleagues don’t believe in science and want to put me and my patients at risk though they can get fucked

Interesting timing, which allows the simplistic political message to land now while requiring the staff to slog their guts out during the Winter crisis. FWIW, ethically, this feels different to pre-employment requirements for Hep B where people can make career decisions before they incur mortgages and commitments. Tactically, as with care sector employment, it seems imperfect to push hard when employees are in short supply. Can't see MPs and ministers wiping more faeces away to make up for the short-fall in carers. For all those adamant they don't want to have unvaccinated carers looking after their loved ones, I hope you get better PPE than the comedy-stickered PPE issued last year.

People who work with vulnerable people should, by themselves, feel morally obligated to get it. I’m uncomfortable with people being forced to have it, but why would you refuse a vaccine when you are potentially killing one of your patients that you are meant to actually be caring for?

@TrevorFountain

I'm so sorry about your mum, *@SleepWhenAmDead*.

I appreciate your point that the government has presided over declining and unacceptable hospital conditions, and that it is not a trustworthy government on Covid.

And I worry that we will lose NHS staff over a vaccine mandate.

But I guess I still don't understand why so many staff are not wanting to be vaccinated with any of the covid vaccines, when they have so many other vaccinations under their belts. I suppose I'm a little concerned that there's an online narrative circulating that's putting people off covid jabs specifically for troll-type purposes.

Exactly this.

@Mistlewoeandwhine

People who work with vulnerable people should, by themselves, feel morally obligated to get it. I’m uncomfortable with people being forced to have it, but why would you refuse a vaccine when you are potentially killing one of your patients that you are meant to actually be caring for?

Let's spin that round Why wouldn't you have a vaccination that could protect your parents? Other people? I'm not calling people selfish. The vaccine has proved that if you catch COVID the severity of symptoms means less chance of overwhelming an already fucked up service This time last year we had 180 patients in our trust COVID positive As of yesterday we had 15 It's not brain surgery

I would live now as I am going to be taken advantage of. I find it concerning that NHS can’t convince their staff to be vaccinated. So much for the NHS heroes bollocks. This is disgusting 🤮

Leave not live 🙄

I don’t agree with this at all. People should have the right to choose... and no, it’s not a real choice when the options are do as we say or lose your job.

But I know so many people who have left the NHS in the last 10 years due to the awful pay and conditions. Now I know 2 nurses and 2 med secretaries who have already left or are looking for work elsewhere due to this. The NHS is a complete mess as it is, this isn’t going to help. People are getting so carried away in support of this, many of the vaccinated enjoying feeling above the unvaccinated. People have become intolerant bullies enjoying the divide and the rows on social media. It’s shameful.

Apparently 2/3rd of French healthcare workers were vaccinated and Macron made it mandatory from there on for healthcare workers to be vaccinated and less than 1% left their job because of it

@Mrbob yayyyy teamwork. And you wonder why people leave. Christ.

Also presumably everyone unvaccinated can get fucked as they're putting you at risk?

This is the thing NHS staff being vaccinated won't make that big of a difference if everywhere else you go people are unvaccinated

I work in a residential home. From the 11/11 we won’t be able to let anyone in the home who hasn’t been double jabbed. We have district nurses coming in daily to do insulin injections, dressings, etc. What’s gonna happen with those who haven’t had the vaccine?

People who have fallen down a rabbit hole in the last year and a half, and who are working in medicine, a science, really need to give themselves a slap and wake the fuck up. But as that is unlikely to happen, this move to make vaccines compulsory for them is a nice little wake-up call. If you can't be bothered to protect your patients and coworkers from a pandemic virus, then you are too self-involved, deluded, or too plain dumb to be working with those who place their bodies and lives in your care.

@Billben

I work in a residential home. From the 11/11 we won’t be able to let anyone in the home who hasn’t been double jabbed. We have district nurses coming in daily to do insulin injections, dressings, etc. What’s gonna happen with those who haven’t had the vaccine?

The irony

No one will be fired, they just need to get the vacine.
I can't see why anyone with half a brain would refuse.
And yes i've hard all the FaceBook expert excuses.

[quote Getyourarseofffthequattro]@Mrbob yayyyy teamwork. And you wonder why people leave. Christ.

Also presumably everyone unvaccinated can get fucked as they're putting you at risk?

This is the thing NHS staff being vaccinated won't make that big of a difference if everywhere else you go people are unvaccinated[/quote]
Very true!