Vaccines to be compulsory for front line medical staff

[bumbleymummy]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59215282

The covid vaccine, but not the flu vaccine. Although, I suppose the door has been opened for that one now too. They’re being given until spring. I wonder if there will be a massive walk out before winter. If you thought you were going to lose your job come spring, why would you work your ass off all winter? This could majorly backfire.

@Tealightsandd

Remember however that if Boris or other senior MPs get ill with Covid, I'm sure despite very limited supplies they'll have access to the new antivirals and/or monoclonal antibody treatments. That's not guaranteed for the majority of the public.

Allegedly (not that I assert this is true in any way) someone benefitted from convalescent plasma after basically deliberately infecting themselves but is consistently anti-mask personally and as regards the entire country.

Someone who is unwilling to take precautions to help increase safe care of the vulnerable has no business being in that job.

I would agree if they were refusing to wear PPE, wash their hands or use LFTs, but they aren't, so they're already taking precautions - precautions which have been fine till now (well, till April )

A vaccinated care worker could live in a household rife with covid but unless they have a positive result themselves they can return to the care home, despite being able to transmit the disease. Visitors to the care home can live with symptomatic confirmed cases but still enter if they've been vaccinated. You could argue being vaccinated makes you more complacent, just last week there was reports that the Commons was rife with covid, didn't stop the clown traipsing round a hospital maskless.

None of it makes any sense.

How many of the house do you think is vaccinated? I'd put good money on it being nowhere near the percentage of the general public - especially on the Tory benches.

Ha - napping maskless at COP 26 surrounded by people paying attention and wearing a mask. Photos all around the world, but not in the Mail funnily enough because God forbid the general public in the UK are made aware how the rest of the world are laughing at and flabbergasted by him/us in case they realise what idiots they are to have voted for this.

@sdjlwe

Ha - napping maskless at COP 26 surrounded by people paying attention and wearing a mask. Photos all around the world, but not in the Mail funnily enough because God forbid the general public in the UK are made aware how the rest of the world are laughing at and flabbergasted by him/us in case they realise what idiots they are to have voted for this.

Exactly! I have no problem at all being preached to by those who follow their own rules - but the Johnson's/Hancocks of this world (and with regards to Cop26 all of them ) NO, fuck off!!

God, I'm so pissed off today

You’re not alone!

@lemmein

God, I'm so pissed off today

Ditto to that!

I don't understand the problem either. Vaccines keep everyone safer. Everyone in our office has to have one. It isn't in question. My booster is booked. My teenage son is jabbed.
I just don't see what the problem is, given the high number of health care professionals who died caring for people in the first wave.

Letting staff practice without vaccine protection would be unsafe for them & negligent.

@lemmein

This isn't about protecting lives, it's about coercing and punishing those that don't comply - fucking scary that people can't see it! If it's purely a saving lives deal, why April? Why not sack everyone in the next week who can't prove they've had their first jab? Why are these people allowed to work their arses off over the winter?

They threatened youngsters social life to coerce them getting the jab (despite their risk being negligible), that was bad enough, but to threaten peoples livelihoods is just so wrong I honestly can't believe this is even where we are - and on Mumsnet This place can be batshit at times but bodily autonomy is normally sacrosanct on here - seemingly you just have to spend 18 months scaring the shit out of people to get them to comply to almost anything.

I agree with the vaccine, I've HAD the vaccine - but hate the way this is going, it's scary.

Why are we not demanding to see MPs vaccine statuses? Surely it's no big deal to them, in fact if it increases confidence then they'd want to show they're fully vaccinated. I remember in the 90s a drama over whether Tony Blair had had his baby vaccinated - so it's not without precedent, why wouldn't they do this (apparently) small thing? Sajid Javed was saying yesterday that colleagues of the unvaccinated have the right to feel safe at work - so, what about those that sit on the opposing seats in Westminster? Do they have the right to feel safe from the maskless idiots sat opposite them?

Unbelievable. Johnson couldn't even bring himself to wear a mask IN A FUCKING HOSPITAL just this week; seriously stop supporting this bullshit!

The delay until April will be to give any unvaccinated staff time to have both jabs and for those jabs to take effect.

They can’t sack them all next week because this country has employment laws about redundancy.

Letting staff practice without vaccine protection would be unsafe for them & negligent.

Because grownups aren’t capable of making their own decisions in relation to whether or not they want the vaccine? They may have already had the virus.

The delay until April will be to give any unvaccinated staff time to have both jabs and for those jabs to take effect.

Do you actually really believe that?

@bumbleymummy

Letting staff practice without vaccine protection would be unsafe for them & negligent.

Because grownups aren’t capable of making their own decisions in relation to whether or not they want the vaccine? They may have already had the virus.

In the same way grownups are not left to make their own decisions in relation to whether or not they want to wear a seatbelt, or be allowed to drive when pissed out of their gourds, there are instances when public health and law steps in to lay down the rules for the protection of both individuals and the public at large.

"In the same way grownups are not left to make their own decisions in relation to whether or not they want to wear a seatbelt, or be allowed to drive when pissed out of their gourds, there are instances when public health and law steps in to lay down the rules for the protection of both individuals and the public at large."

All of the above prohibit behaviour or require a behaviour. They don't require a person having to put something in to their body. That is the difference. Why do people not get that distinction with regard to Bodily autonomy. That no one should ever be able to coerce you into putting something in to your body without your informed consent, it's part of medical ethics apart from anything else.

@lunar1

Finally my husband can be a little safer from the bloody anti vax doctor he has to share an office with.

That's hysterical...! Surely your husband is vaccinated then? And if he's so confident that vaccine is protecting him, what's he worried about?

97% survival rate people, wake up and see the scaremongering and division that's happening here

@lemmein

The delay until April will be to give any unvaccinated staff time to have both jabs and for those jabs to take effect.

Do you actually really believe that?

April has been selected, so they can use the staff for the upcoming winter period and then claim the amazing booster is what's bringing the rates down (rather than it just being spring by then, and winter viruses being less common) and use it as a way to coerce the staff into submission.

Scary how easy it's been for this government to create hate and division amongst our society, heh

I think MPs should lead by example and it should be made mandatory for all MPs and Lords to have the vaccine then. See how they like it.

Has anyone done a FOI request to ask what percentage of MPs are vaccinated? Be interesting, bet not all of them are.

@lemmein

The delay until April will be to give any unvaccinated staff time to have both jabs and for those jabs to take effect.

Do you actually really believe that?

In conjunction with the fact there are laws surrounding redundancy, yes.

If they sacked them all next week there would be a mass claim for unfair redundancy/not following procedures that would cost an awful lot of money.

“ April has been selected, so they can use the staff for the upcoming winter period and then claim the amazing booster is what's bringing the rates down (rather than it just being spring by then, and winter viruses being less common) and use it as a way to coerce the staff into submission. ”

Don’t forget that many more people would have contracted and recovered from covid by then too, reducing the cases even more.

It is refreshing to read how many of us have realised all of the strategic bullshit we have been fed throughout this pandemic and so can also see through the current rhetoric at least. It gives me hope there are enough to say NO.

There will be many Nhs staff who are immune and don’t need to be vaccinated.

Many people aren’t aware that if you register a positive covid test you are classed as fully vaccinated for 6 months. You get a covid pass that’s the same as those given to the fully vaccinated and can use that for travel or events.

There’s no logic vaccinating people who are already immune. They’ve had nearly two years to look into natural immunity and antibody testing should be an option instead of mandating vaccines for folk that don’t need it.

@ MeanderingGently do you happen to know if there will be any long term health implications caused by the vaccination? Can you guarantee there will be none whatsoever? At the moment no one can guarantee this because they don't know. This vaccination was supposed to last a year and we already need another booster. It isn't comparable to other vaccinations because they have been around a lot longer and last longer. So if someone chooses not to take it because they are worried then who are you or I to say they don't care for their patients? Being a healthcare worker doesn't mean you belong to the public as should be dictated to. I can imagine the uproar if the whole country was told they had to have it, most arent even willing to wear a mask.

@FlorenciaFlora for a positive lateral flow? Without a pcr?

I think if we all get vaccinated this will pass into history. Italy is not taking any chances

www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/09/17/1038240183/italy-vaccine-health-pass-for-employees?t=1636578866521

@lemmein

The delay until April will be to give any unvaccinated staff time to have both jabs and for those jabs to take effect.

Do you actually really believe that?

This^^

The gov want to rinse the current workforce for all they are worth to get through the winter crisis. Then sack them in April. I am sure all the staff will be fine. All the claps you gave them on your door step can be saved up and used as food vouchers later on.

Positive PCR Bumbleymummy.

www.gov.uk/guidance/nhs-covid-pass