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OP posts:
Ducksareruiningmypatio · 21/10/2021 09:40

No one will take any notice this time.
I certainly won't

ChorizoJacketPotato · 21/10/2021 09:40

I have followed every single rule but if they really think we are cancelling Christmas again they can fucking fine me. I don’t give a shit.

Get masks back on, get social distancing measures in place again and stop allowing people out of the house when there is covid in the house!

Sunset999 · 21/10/2021 09:41

Why on earth dont they bring back masks and distancing now, that may be enough to slow things down, rather than bring in more drastic measures! Usual scenario of not acting quick enough again....

etopp · 21/10/2021 09:41

@Kylereese

I won’t be complying. I had my jab in good faith, we were promised it was the route out of this. Lockdown the unvaccinated (by choice - obs if you can’t have it then fine)
Why? Most people choosing to be unvaccinated are making an informed decision and are not likely to be clogging up the hospitals. They have a perfect right not to be vaccinated without being 'punished' for it.

(I've had both vaccinations, btw, so am not an anti vaxxer - but I am 100% opposed to any kind of compulsion that involves Covid).

FleeceDog · 21/10/2021 09:45

Most people choosing to be unvaccinated are making an informed decision Grin [grin Grin

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 21/10/2021 09:46

@DoctorSnortles

All those stropping about making a massive fuss (about something that does not currently appear to be actual policy), maybe do something to avoid it having to happen. Wear a mask. Keep your distance. Open windows.

Trouble is, in my experience, a lot of folk who make the most noise about not wanting any sort of restrictions on socialising are often the ones who don’t comply with the most basic and low-level mitigation measures because for some reason they are unable to make the connection between wearing a mask, opening a window, keeping their distance and reducing infection.

‘You can’t make me wear a mask! There’s no bloody way MY 14 year old will wear a mask at school! You can’t make me sit in a draughty room! Who the fuck dos this government think they are telling me to keep my distance?’ etc, then as infection rates go up the shouting and ranting about more stringent restrictions starts. People amaze me.

I completely agree. Usually with the addition of ‘We have to understand Covid is here for good and we have to learn to live with it’ with no sense of irony at all.

And of course THEY will be ignoring any restrictions that are put into place by the government, which gives me lovely images of tunnels being dug to get into a closed Primark and rope ladders up the walls of the schools.

Skysblue · 21/10/2021 09:47

They’re insane. Or completely out of touch. Or both.

At our 500 child school there are whole class assemblies, all year groups mixed at playtimes, parents kettled into small space at pickup and dropoff, no masks, and nasty coughs all over the place, I saw three very sick looking children, coughing lots, arriving at school today.

They’re still running the full range of school social events too, and aggressively chasing parents, including threats of fines, for “poor absence statistics” if a parent wants to keep a sick child home. If a child gets covid the rest of the class is not told and only hears through rumour. Why are they doing all this in the middle of a pandemic? Because they have been told by the Government that it’s all business as usual.

There is a middle way! Staggered drop off times, parents to wear masks, no whole school mixing, but without whole class isolations for each contact of a case of covid.

This Government is STUPID. Really, staggeringly, dim.

TheVampiresWife · 21/10/2021 09:48

@JaniieJones

'Good luck with that, very few will comply'

That is indeed the problem. If mn is a depressing snapshot of the population very few complied previously, lots of 'they can't stop me doing what I want innit those stasi bossy dictators'

I really doubt they'll tell anyone to stop mixing because what is the point. They'll maybe say try and be sensible around vulnerable people as we know the vaccine isn't 100% effective but even so people like the op will continue to think fuck 'em I'll do what I like.

On the contrary, it's evident that the vast majority did comply last Christmas. Which is precisely why so many won't this year, if mixing isn't allowed.

As someone who's followed all the rules myself, I can't say I blame them.

MarshaBradyo · 21/10/2021 09:48

@Skysblue

They’re insane. Or completely out of touch. Or both.

At our 500 child school there are whole class assemblies, all year groups mixed at playtimes, parents kettled into small space at pickup and dropoff, no masks, and nasty coughs all over the place, I saw three very sick looking children, coughing lots, arriving at school today.

They’re still running the full range of school social events too, and aggressively chasing parents, including threats of fines, for “poor absence statistics” if a parent wants to keep a sick child home. If a child gets covid the rest of the class is not told and only hears through rumour. Why are they doing all this in the middle of a pandemic? Because they have been told by the Government that it’s all business as usual.

There is a middle way! Staggered drop off times, parents to wear masks, no whole school mixing, but without whole class isolations for each contact of a case of covid.

This Government is STUPID. Really, staggeringly, dim.

It will have passed through schools soon anyway.
Lostinacloud · 21/10/2021 09:50

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CornishGem1975 · 21/10/2021 09:50

@MarshaBradyo I think so too. Back in early September, it was rife in ours. It's calmed right down now.

UsedUpUsername · 21/10/2021 09:50

@rrhuth

I really despair at how shit this government is.

Why will they not reintroduce some low-level measures now, to hopefully avoid the need for more draconian measures in a month's time?

When does this actually work? Low-level restrictions always seem to slide into heavier ones, added bonus you can blame the public when it fails …
Ghoulette · 21/10/2021 09:53

@Onlinedilema

I'd like to know how many seriously ill people in hospital with covid have been double jabbed.
A HUGE amount less than their would have been if we were all unvaccinated.

That said, there are still far too many. Gov't FINALLY admitting this morning that the NHS is under huge pressure, but then going on to lie about it being sustainable.

We are literally being told by our Execs to get patients out, no matter the cost, regardless of where they go. Basically, as long as they don't die in our trust everything is tickety boo. It's disgusting.

TheVampiresWife · 21/10/2021 09:54

The ONLY way to get through to these people would be to let things get as bad as they possibly can so they can experience just what happens if we all did nothing

But we're not doing nothing, @Thewiseoneincognito. Even if not one person wore a mask or SD, we have the biggest mitigation of all in place, in the form of vaccines.

WrapAroundYourDreams · 21/10/2021 09:56

@Lostinacloud

I agree *@etopp*. At the end of the day, the data shows that over 99% of people under 65 survive covid and even if you are older than that there is still over a 90% chance that you will too. Why on earth would most under 65’s even need protecting from a 0.4 chance of death from a virus that’s more likely to give them a sore throat and headache unless otherwise compromised, I’m which case take the protection offered. People preferring not to be vaccinated are largely going to fall in the under 65 demographic and therefore are no real risk to clogging up hospital beds.
This.

Also, in my early 30s and double jabbed, no underlying conditions etc, what are the chances of me being hospitalised with coronavirus? I've been jabbed, I'll wear masks in shops if I have to because it doesn't massively impact the quality of my life. But I'm not prepared to do more because of a virus where there is such a minuscule chance of becoming seriously ill, particularly once double jabbed. The effects of restrictions do far more harm.

Brickskithouse · 21/10/2021 09:56

Well said @NovemberWitch. I am sick sick sick of people who have worked outside the home throughout being blamed for the spread cos in their leisure time they want to go to the cinema or they didn't wear a frickin mask when they went to the corner shop.
Teens should also not be guilted into having a vaccine to protect others @JaniieJones. Yes it should be available to teens. But they should have it IF they want it.
Seems to me the problem is mostly due to our over reliance on a less effective vaccine and hopefully if the NHS gets into gear with the 50+ boosters, the situation will rapidly improve.

RedToothBrush · 21/10/2021 09:58

I think the thing is, if you have friends or relatives who are due their booster but haven't had it, you might be wise to avoid your unvaccinated family members from mixing with them and even if you are vaccinated, if you do meet them you'd be wise to do it outside

Without the need for government to tell you what you want to do.

Starting now.

If you have a general problem with that and are saying 'but I'm expected to for work and its just not fair' then you seriously need to have a word with yourself for sounding like a child.

Minimising contact indoors with those who might be more vulnerable where possible is a pretty sensible approach for everyone. As much as it sucks. Mainly cos you don't want to be a twat and put them at risk.

Christmas is going to be a bloody car crash on here because the booster jabs are so far behind where they should be. The only hope is that it does start to settle down in schools by then because the kids have all had it. But I'm not optimistic about that.

The big take homes from me reading this excellent twitter thread from John Burn-Murdoch on why the UK has so many cases

twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1449801652207239176

were that

  • our immunity is waning quicker and we are giving boosters slower than most of western europe
  • we are wearing masks less (theres actually an interest cavet on why this isn't working in Scotland in the thread)
  • we are going to bigger events in crowded spaces more often
  • structural issues caused by us having greater poverty
  • later vaccination of 12 - 15 year olds

For me the one about events/gatherings in crowded spaces is the one that's interesting and we as individuals have power over - more so than mask wearing - the others lie more with government to sort the fuck out.

toomuchlaundry · 21/10/2021 09:59

I thought the unvaccinated were clogging up the hospitals.

I will act cautiously, whatever the Government is saying, especially if rates are high and if have high rates of flu in the mix. It’s all very well sticking 2 fingers up at the Government rules if your subsequent actions could make some members of your family very ill.

Hairwizard · 21/10/2021 10:01

They can fuck off. Havent complied since after the first one.

Kyliealwayshadthebestdisco · 21/10/2021 10:02

Nobody is going to accept restrictions on household mixing this Christmas. They have to know that. Unless they make it literally illegal and an arrestable offence and even then many people will happily take the risk and argue the toss later if needed. Plus I think there would literally be riots. And everyone will suddenly need their child’s godmother for childcare anyway as demonstrated by our PM.

I am a doctor and I don’t underestimate COVID at all. But this government has utterly mismanaged it all along, we’ve somehow ended up with the worst of both worlds in the UK, some of the worst restrictions as well as being among the highest death rate and infection rate.

A huge part of that is the constant mixed messages - the pandemic is over, we should all get back to the new normal, back to work, GPs and hospitals to go back to normal, freedom day, nobody wearing masks in Parliament etc then all of a sudden they make a u-turn and say the pandemic isn’t over, life isn’t back to normal, people should be cautious and wear masks. They need to make up their minds and stop veering wildly from one side of the debate to the other and be a bit more truthful with the public that yes there is still some risk and we are not able to just ignore COVID much as everyone would like but neither at this point are the admission and death rates high enough to shut everything down again. They have pandered to (or are part of) the anti vaxxer anti masker lot at everyone else’s expense here and are now trying to row back on it but too late and the damage is done. Plus they don’t seem to have the courage of their own convictions, until we see Parliament full of masked MPs, good luck trying to get the public to do it.

Most of the public from bitter experience won’t even get a PCR test for COVID symptoms for various reasons but it doesn’t help that this government have made a complete hash of the messaging on testing (at the beginning, trying to pretend testing isn’t necessary and doesn’t matter instead of fessing up to the fact that they don’t have enough tests oops, and now not spelling out to people that a PCR not a lateral flow is needed if you have possible symptoms - but then they also need to update the symptoms for delta and make sure the PCR labs are up to scratch).

I mostly blame this government rather than the public for how badly we have suffered during the pandemic in this country as their management of it has been a litany of errors (except for the vaccination roll out but they are losing even this accolade now), although I do think peoples selfish nature has sadly come to the fore as well. But maybe that is natural in a situation like a pandemic where people feel under threat.

So if the government are reading this! Some of us are not fooled, and know you have done a SHIT job and have blood on your hands as well as making the country suffer through unnecessary misery. You need to do better. And it starts with not reacting to what the public think and showing some strong leadership in a crisis by practicing what you preach and thinking carefully about all the implications of what you preach, and being more honest with the public and learning from your mistakes. Yes we need a proper inquiry. And to keep the memorial wall and hold formal events at it, but it would be nice if you put a bit more focus on stopping adding to those red hearts.

And PS stop having a go at GPs, we weren’t born yesterday and know what you are trying to achieve even if the public seem to be fooled into thinking you’re somehow giving a shit about the average person on the street rather than trying to privatise healthcare so people pay twice over (as I don’t see you giving back peoples taxes which were previously used for the NHS once it’s gone), we become like the US where you go bankrupt if you are unfortunate enough to get cancer, and your mates get yet more money to put in their pockets. And yes Boots we see you too.

mrshoho · 21/10/2021 10:02

It will have passed through schools soon anyway

But it doesn't just neatly stop once it has 'passed through schools' though. By that stage it has worked through to the general community. The high number of cases we are having should not be of any surprise given that the requirement of household isolations was removed and the fact that vaccination immunity/natural immunity does not last. The government know this. They have access to far more information than we ordinary people.

Lostinacloud · 21/10/2021 10:02

I would add to your excellent list @RedToothBrush that people often forget that schools in most of Europe didn’t close again after the initial lockdown. This allowed covid to spread around schools much earlier. Certainly where I live in France you couldn’t move for every child and parent having covid last October and whereas I didn’t know many people in the uk who had come across it at that time, it was harder to find someone who hadn’t had it around me in France towards the end of last year, including myself and DC!

Dippydinosaurus · 21/10/2021 10:03

Plan C is the cheapest option for them so that's the default

MarshaBradyo · 21/10/2021 10:04

@mrshoho

It will have passed through schools soon anyway

But it doesn't just neatly stop once it has 'passed through schools' though. By that stage it has worked through to the general community. The high number of cases we are having should not be of any surprise given that the requirement of household isolations was removed and the fact that vaccination immunity/natural immunity does not last. The government know this. They have access to far more information than we ordinary people.

ONS show flat or dropping in other age groups

Dc will get it now, and even if it does spread more to older it’ll be before winter.

Viviennemary · 21/10/2021 10:06

They can forget that as far as I'm concerned. If folk can get away with being a dangerous disruption to traffic on main highways then I'll have who I like in my own home.

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