Covid vaccine passport. It’s going ahead.

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According to another thread on here anyway.

Has anyone else heard this?

On the other thread it sounds as if it will be in 2 weeks time.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/a4362558-Exemptions-from-being-vaccinated-and-tested?msgid=111289594#111289594

Here's the thread that confused the OP. The plan to introduce documentation for people who can't be vaccinated or tested. So they are given the same rights as those who have been vaccinated and won't be subjected to interrogation or fuckwittery as to why they aren't vaccinated.

OP didn't understand this morning folks. She ain't going to be understanding any time soon.

@itsgrand

Unless you're the OP (as I mentioned in my post) then, er, no. I was talking to the OP. Clue in the "OP" bit of my post.

The covid pass where I live is not just entry for everyone with double vaccine. It records test results also.

Certain venues still won’t allow access with just vaccine, so you get tested and that goes on pass and valid for 24/48 hrs depending on what test.
For example if you want to go to a nightclub or visit care home you would need to have been tested, just double vaccine isn’t enough.

[quote Geamhradh]@itsgrand

Unless you're the OP (as I mentioned in my post) then, er, no. I was talking to the OP. Clue in the "OP" bit of my post.[/quote]
jez Louise you're a bit antsy aren't you!!!!!
And actually I think the OP does understand.

@MajorCarolDanvers

The launch in Scotland has been a complete fuck up.

It's not the feedback I've been receiving from people I know in Scotland, so opinions seem to differ.

@LindaEllen yes I am appalled. Thank you for the snarky comment.

As someone who had a massive internal bleed and spent four days in hospital, needing three blood transfusions, an endoscopy and a colonoscopy after my vaccine, it’s a subject I fucking care about.

I am disgusted that the choice whether to take the vaccine is essentially being taken away. I do not want to live in a society that forces medical procedures on its citizens.

[quote TinaYouFatLard]@LindaEllen yes I am appalled. Thank you for the snarky comment.

As someone who had a massive internal bleed and spent four days in hospital, needing three blood transfusions, an endoscopy and a colonoscopy after my vaccine, it’s a subject I fucking care about.

I am disgusted that the choice whether to take the vaccine is essentially being taken away. I do not want to live in a society that forces medical procedures on its citizens.[/quote]
would this medical exemption not be a good thing for you though?

It's not the feedback I've been receiving from people I know in Scotland, so opinions seem to differ.

Some people might not have had any issues with getting to work themselves, but the issues with it have affected loads and loads of other people to the point where they’ve been on the front page of the papers and have been bad enough that the health secretary has said people should just get let in to venues without it. Also one of the industry organisations has taken the government to court over it.

So it’s possible for Jemma Bloggs of Bishopbriggs to say “worked fine for me!”, and for it also to be a fairly bad cock-up on the national scale.

The latest development I have posted about is that now anyone who considers themselves unable to have the vaccine or be tested can now apply for a medical exemption and if this is successful they will have the same Covid Pass as those who are vaccinated.

The plan to introduce documentation for people who can't be vaccinated or tested. So they are given the same rights as those who have been vaccinated and won't be subjected to interrogation or fuckwittery as to why they aren't vaccinated.

While they may be provided with the same rights domestically, I can't imagine they would be able to use the exemption for travel purposes. There is no way other countries will allow people entry unless they comply with their conditions of entry.

Am I being particularly stupid because I can't understand this thread at all?

@MareofBeasttown

Am I being particularly stupid because I can't understand this thread at all?

It's an amalgamation of several threads, all containing pieces of incorrect information

I am also struggling

@OchonAgusOchonOh

The latest development I have posted about is that now anyone who considers themselves unable to have the vaccine or be tested can now apply for a medical exemption and if this is successful they will have the same Covid Pass as those who are vaccinated.

The plan to introduce documentation for people who can't be vaccinated or tested. So they are given the same rights as those who have been vaccinated and won't be subjected to interrogation or fuckwittery as to why they aren't vaccinated.

While they may be provided with the same rights domestically, I can't imagine they would be able to use the exemption for travel purposes. There is no way other countries will allow people entry unless they comply with their conditions of entry.

I think you're right there. Whatever we put in place domestically, other countries will of course make their own decisions.

I read in the paper that exemptions will have to be verified by GP - it’s not self-certification.

And except in a minuscule number of cases, these people can do pcrs.

Anyone with no vaccine and refusing to test has no business travelling.

would this medical exemption not be a good thing for you though?

Yes, one of the exemption stated was adverse reaction to the vaccine, so I'm confused why TinaYouFatLard is not happy about this.

Any nightclub or place like that can choose to use vaccine passports so it will be for that.

Thread title doesn't really make sense as it makes it sound like new news and the domestic one is voluntary and has been so for ages

@Megistotherium

would this medical exemption not be a good thing for you though?

Yes, one of the exemption stated was adverse reaction to the vaccine, so I'm confused why TinaYouFatLard is not happy about this.

Because surely that means you must have taken the vaccine in the first place?? It may exempt you from endless boosters but I would rather people had a real, meaningful choice from the outset.

Even though there are people who may have adverse effects, the risk of the virus is far higher than vaccine. So, they are making people exempt if they know they have allergies etc to not to take it, as well as someone like you who had adverse effects not to take anymore vaccine.
How do you know if you have very rare adverse effects from vaccine? How do you know you won't be badly affected by the virus? Odds are still way better to take vaccine than getting covid.

Unvaccinated by choice are a diminishingly small percentage of the population.

Not worth any headspace. If they want to throw their toys out the pram about vaccination passports then so what?

I'm double-vaxxed and will not be using any vaccine passport. It amounts to state-mandated medical treatment. Nightmarish.

I hope many people, both vaccinated and unvaccinated will protest this. We have to stand up for our civil rights and bodily autonomy.

I hope many people, both vaccinated and unvaccinated will protest this. We have to stand up for our civil rights and bodily autonomy.

They already have rights not to get vaccinated. How about the rights of people who doesn't want to get ill? Why the rights of people decided not to get vaccinated triumphs the rights of people who are vaccinated, or who can't get vaccinated?

It's the wilfully unvaccinated I have no time for

I have had one vaccine so far. Periods have gone AWOL. Considering im waiting to take the Mini Pill and it has to be taken on the first day of period this has caused a bit of a problem. Im 48 so it could be my age. But there is no way of knowing. So i wont be taking the second vaccine until this has righted itself. If the NHS had sterilised child free by choice me in the two, now nearly three decades ive been asking them to it wouldnt be a problem. Yes yes you can take other precautions But they can split. Sorry but im not willing to go as far as risking unwanted pregnancy to "protect the NHS"

@MercyBooth

It's the wilfully unvaccinated I have no time for

I have had one vaccine so far. Periods have gone AWOL. Considering im waiting to take the Mini Pill and it has to be taken on the first day of period this has caused a bit of a problem. Im 48 so it could be my age. But there is no way of knowing. So i wont be taking the second vaccine until this has righted itself. If the NHS had sterilised child free by choice me in the two, now nearly three decades ive been asking them to it wouldnt be a problem. Yes yes you can take other precautions But they can split. Sorry but im not willing to go as far as risking unwanted pregnancy to "protect the NHS"

@MercyBooth

I've seen you post this a few times and am confused. Plenty of people take the mini pill during menopause or when they have irregular/missing periods no?

As far as I'm aware there's no need to take it on the first day of your menstrual cycle. It's just that if you do take it then, you're protected straight away, any other time and you have to wait 2 days before it's effective www.nhs.uk/conditions/contraception/the-pill-progestogen-only/

If your situation is somehow different then I'd talk to family planning expert if you're unable to see your GP/nurse, as there must be heaps of women who need contraception whilst potentially being in the early stages on menopause.

I don't understand how this situation means you need to risk pregnancy to "protect the NHS".

Its not just me though is it. Its affected many womens cycles Women a good deal younger than myself. They never listen to women. And then act all surprised and affronted when women start saying NO!

@MercyBooth

Its not just me though is it. Its affected many womens cycles Women a good deal younger than myself. They never listen to women. And then act all surprised and affronted when women start saying NO!

Yes of course, and it is currently being investigated (as is the impact of coronavirus)

But your posts are specifically about how you are being forced into risking pregnancy because you don't know if you're in menopause, which I thought I'd reply to.

Exactly. The wilfully unvaccinated can simply decide whether they want to put up with the restrictions involved. There aren't many in real life. They just seem to be vocal on social media platforms including Mumsnet.

"I think we should be restricting fat people (i.e. those with a BMI over 25). Science has shown the correlation between BMI and viral load, and I don't want a bunch of obese people potentially infecting me. If they can't be bothered to lose the weight, they can jolly well put up with the restrictions involved. Their choice, really."

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Now do you see how the slippery slope starts?