Covid vaccine passport. It’s going ahead.

[Penfield]

According to another thread on here anyway.

Has anyone else heard this?

On the other thread it sounds as if it will be in 2 weeks time.

The vultures are circling

@JellyBabiesSaveLives

I’d like to be able to get a Covid pass for my double-vaccinated 13-year-old. That would be useful.

You can do, it will show on the NHS app if you sync it to their NHS records (assuming you’re in the uk)

It's not just the fact you need a driving licence or a passport to access the app @GoldenOmber. It's the fact you need a smartphone in the first place.

My parents are both in their 70s. They don't have a smartphone. They don't have a laptop, or a printer. They live in Scotland. So if they want to go clubbing (unlikely) or to a pantomime or concert with their grandchildren, how do they prove their vaccine status?

In Scotland there is a separate "vaccine status" app because there is not, and never has been, an app which shows your vaccination appointments and dates. There is a website which you can obviously access on your phone (if you have one) but that's not the same as an app. So this is a NEW app which doesn't work.

I’m currently in france. When you go in somewhere they scan your app (or a printed qr code) to show your vaccinated. It’s super simple I really don’t have an issue with measures like that at the moment if it helps places do what they can to stay open

@Sirzy

I’m currently in france. When you go in somewhere they scan your app (or a printed qr code) to show your vaccinated. It’s super simple I really don’t have an issue with measures like that at the moment if it helps places do what they can to stay open

Exactly. That's the point I've been making.

I hope you're having a good holiday @Sirzy.

"So it’s already happening, adding in an exemption for anyone who medically can’t be vaccinated can just be a negative lateral flow, surely?"

Some people cannot be vaccinated or tested. This will be a very small number of people but they still matter.

As a fully vaccinated person, I am against the concept of vaccine passports for many reasons.

I will also put my money where my mouth is for the next six months (because we won't keep vaccine passports longer than required, right?) and miss out on venues which require them.

With that said, if vaccine passports are to be a thing then they must absolutely target the venues which are statistically behind the spread of this virus.

That means schools, supermarkets, private houses and so on. It might well mean bars and nightclubs too but if we are to have any chance of tackling this deadly virus then we must put all of these other places behind a vaccine passport wall.

On a practical level I feel that, yeah, I don't really care and I'll do it for an easy life.

On an ethical level, I can see that it's really problematic!

I was speaking to a man who runs our local wine store the other day. He is vaccinated but he is totally opposed to and adamant that he will refuse to get the vaccine passport. He remembers growing up in Afghanistan when the Taliban took over the first time, in the 90s, and non-Muslims like his family were made to put a yellow sign on their doors.

I don't think the vaccine passport is really comparable, but I can see why you might feel wary if you'd had that experience.

@KingsleyShacklebolt. This worries me too. It has the potential to exclude a lot of people who are not tech savvy or who can't access the technology (poverty, disability etc). Lots of people are being left behind by these sudden changes. My parents and their friends are in their 70s and 80s and although most of them have smart phones they need assistance using the features. I know of some of them have stopped going to their favourite restaurants due to worry about not being able to scan and order on the app etc. Sad to see

Vaccinated people believe they won't get covid. Yet I keep reading stories about how badly they ill they are after being double vaccinated.

I don't think most of them think that at all Zig27. I certainly don't, but the vast majority of the double vaccinated do get it very mildly and avoid hospital and death. They are also less likely to pass it on.

@knittingaddict

Vaccinated people believe they won't get covid. Yet I keep reading stories about how badly they ill they are after being double vaccinated.

I don't think most of them think that at all Zig27. I certainly don't, but the vast majority of the double vaccinated do get it very mildly and avoid hospital and death. They are also less likely to pass it on.

Exactly.

I thought being vaccinated was a choice. Is it still?

@Penfield

I thought being vaccinated was a choice. Is it still?

It is. And not being vaccinated is a choice too. And there are people who cannot be vaccinated without their choice, or vaccine doesn't work well because of their conditions, those people need to be feel safe and protected too.

@ilovesooty

I could be appalled at the objectors, if I thought them worth my time.

When I read things like that, I think either you work for the 77th regiment, or you have slave mentality, or you think nothing of yourself and even less of your fellow citizens. But most of all, you frighten me. I could never understand how Nazi Germany ended up the way it did. At school I couldn't figure out why so many Germans got on board with the Nazis. And then covid hit, and now I understand. Sadly.

I think it's ridiculous to compare covid passports to Nazi Germany and devalues and disrespects those who suffered under that regime.

[quote SidSparrow]@ilovesooty

I could be appalled at the objectors, if I thought them worth my time.

When I read things like that, I think either you work for the 77th regiment, or you have slave mentality, or you think nothing of yourself and even less of your fellow citizens. But most of all, you frighten me. I could never understand how Nazi Germany ended up the way it did. At school I couldn't figure out why so many Germans got on board with the Nazis. And then covid hit, and now I understand. Sadly.[/quote]
The German government convinced the population all their hardships were the fault of other countries, bit like the EU and Brexit. Not proof of a medical procedure.

Sid isn't comparing covid passports to Nazi Germany, they are pointing out that it is now easier to understand how people can turn on their fellow citizens and ostracise them. Look at the hysteria around people going for walks when this all started, people reporting their neighbours for perceived transgressions. All for a virus that is a mild illness for the vast majority.

And not being vaccinated is a choice too. And there are people who cannot be vaccinated without their choice, or vaccine doesn't work well because of their conditions, those people need to be feel safe and protected too.

What?

It's the wilfully unvaccinated I have no time for

Ah, but how willful does that refusal have to be? Who decides what is "too willful"?

Someone who has a mild needle phobia?

Someone who refuses to get vaccinated on rare occasions when not pregnant?

Why do people with LDs get to have bodily autonomy exceptions that the rest of us aren't allowed, I wonder. What is the principle being applied there?

I presume that the 'exempt' will be tiny numbers, but the moment one is identified as an index case, I wonder if their protected exceptions will remain respected. We shall see...

I'm 2xvaccinated & intend to forego things that require vaccine passports.

We have proof of our vaccination on our phone and also the paper version - surely the latter would be acceptable - my DD is abroad for a few months and they're accepting our paper version, so why can we?

@starfish4

We have proof of our vaccination on our phone and also the paper version - surely the latter would be acceptable - my DD is abroad for a few months and they're accepting our paper version, so why can we?

I've been told by someone who lives in Scotland that the paper copy confirming vaccination status is accepted.

It is not good to be too wilful

@Justrealised

Some people can’t be tested or would need to be sedated in order to be tested. Eg people with severe learning disabilities or severe autism. For others it maybe that it is too invasive or they don’t have the time to wait for the results (palliative care).

Some people do genuinely have reasons for both not having the vaccine and are medically exempt and not testing.

Luckily, most of the people you describe came under the CEV umbrella and were vaccinated as a priority, weren't they?

[quote SidSparrow]@ilovesooty

I could be appalled at the objectors, if I thought them worth my time.

When I read things like that, I think either you work for the 77th regiment, or you have slave mentality, or you think nothing of yourself and even less of your fellow citizens. But most of all, you frighten me. I could never understand how Nazi Germany ended up the way it did. At school I couldn't figure out why so many Germans got on board with the Nazis. And then covid hit, and now I understand. Sadly.[/quote]
Gawd bless Godwin.

"Luckily, most of the people you describe came under the CEV umbrella and were vaccinated as a priority, weren't they?"

Their condition meant they were a priority but they may not have been able to be vaccinated.