Covid vaccine passport. It’s going ahead.

[Penfield]

According to another thread on here anyway.

Has anyone else heard this?

On the other thread it sounds as if it will be in 2 weeks time.

@GoldenOmber

Ah well, as long as you think it sounds good and ‘don’t really care’ about any issues there might be with it that you haven’t thought through, that’s all that should matter then.

It's all that matters to me and I'm not going to apologise for it when other countries are accepting it.

I don’t see why this is even an issue or why it even needs to be a new app or whatever.

The NHS app already shows if you’ve had two vaccinations or you can log a negative lateral flow and people have been showing it at events and for travel since things opened up again.

So it’s already happening, adding in an exemption for anyone who medically can’t be vaccinated can just be a negative lateral flow, surely? I don’t see how this is much different to what’s already been going on?

@middleager

My son can't have the vaccine in school next week as he's just had Covid. If vaccinators don't come back then he's too young to just get the vaccine. He will be stuck. What about those situations?

If you've had COVID recently this is counted as immunity for a certain time period.

I don't see why your son wouldn't be able to be vaccinated at another time - this is something which is likely to impact huge numbers of teens given how high rates are right now. If not then yes of course this would be hugely unfair, but getting annoyed about a hypothetical situation that hasn't happened and is unlikely to happen doesn't seem helpful.

I’m in an other country that is doing it and it’s a total shambles.

@JoanOgden

I think this is a misunderstanding - what is going ahead is a policy that allows people who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons to get access to the Covid Pass for international travel and the (fairly limited) occasions when venues want proof of vaccination.

This makes more sense to me, in that circumstance would someone unable to be vaccinated do a lateral flow as well or just show they’re exempt?

@TinaYouFatLard

It’s revolting. I’m appalled at anyone who supports this.

Really? You're appalled? Do you not have any better way to spend your time than by being appalled at this?

You've seen what's happened across the world, how much disruption there's been, and how many people have died. The vaccines give us a really good chance of getting back to normal, but unvaccinated people travelling and attending crowded events just mean it'll keep spreading and spreading.

@middleager

My son can't have the vaccine in school next week as he's just had Covid. If vaccinators don't come back then he's too young to just get the vaccine. He will be stuck. What about those situations?

Ask them if it can be put on his GP records so he can get it done there? I’m sure plenty of people are in this situation.

It does class as natural immunity if you’ve had it so I imagine he’ll be eligible at a later date.

@GoldenOmber

I’m in an other country that is doing it and it’s a total shambles.

The fact that your country isn't implementing it well doesn't provide a justification for it not being implemented.

The fact that your country isn't implementing it well doesn't provide a justification for it not being implemented

It might provide a bit of a heads up that there a practical issues with it when you actually try doing it in the real world, though, no?

We can’t really introduce new national policies based on “I’ve spent four minutes thinking this through and can’t see any problem with it myself.”

You can still catch and spread covid if you're vaccinated!! Just look at the 'double jabbed and really ill' thread. The purpose of the jab is to prevent severe illness. If you are jabbed you should be protected, no? Yet here you all are crying out for the filthy unvaccinated to be banned from parts of society with glee. It's horrible.

On here is like a different planet! Why the lusting for this when vaccinated people can still have and spread covid? Seems odd.

Good.

@JoanOgden - I think this is a misunderstanding - what is going ahead is a policy that allows people who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons to get access to the Covid Pass for international travel and the (fairly limited) occasions when venues want proof of vaccination.

I very much doubt other countries will change their policies to accept a pass that doesn't comply with their rules for entry. Rather arrogant to think they would.

Where I live, a covid pass is currently required for entry to pubs and restaurants. It's working pretty well in my experience. There is an app the business uses but you can also show a physical pass or your vaccination card plus id.

It's still only 10% unvaccinated.

90%, oh need to show a vaccine proof for the panto today, ,"ok here it is"

That simple.

The possibility that 10% of people can't go to the panto this year doesn't even get billing on my current list of concerns.

@Penfield

According to another thread on here anyway.

Has anyone else heard this?

On the other thread it sounds as if it will be in 2 weeks time.

This is in Scotland, it launched a day or two ago but goes legal in 2 weeks. Currently England have no plans to follow suit

@GoldenOmber

The fact that your country isn't implementing it well doesn't provide a justification for it not being implemented

It might provide a bit of a heads up that there a practical issues with it when you actually try doing it in the real world, though, no?

We can’t really introduce new national policies based on “I’ve spent four minutes thinking this through and can’t see any problem with it myself.”

In the real world there are other countries where this is operational and people are largely accepting it. That should be the case here in my opinion.

I don’t care about whether I

This isn't a vaccine passport, it's a comprehensive set of exemptions for people who may be asked for proof that they are vaccinated because of their job or some other specific access they need. It doesn't apply to the general population. It builds in the same exemptions which are used in EU countries. This is progress.

The passport put in place for Scotland is something else - it does restrict the general population, but does not build in the generally accepted exceptions, such as people who cannot get an approved vaccine as they are volunteers in a trial for an experimental vaccine.

This is in Scotland, it launched a day or two ago but goes legal in 2 weeks. Currently England have no plans to follow suit

It is already happening in England though, I went to a gig recently and they asked for proof of double vaccination, negative lateral flow or immunity as you’d just had covid recently- how is what’s been implemented in Scotland different to this?

@FlyLight

You can still catch and spread covid if you're vaccinated!! Just look at the 'double jabbed and really ill' thread. The purpose of the jab is to prevent severe illness. If you are jabbed you should be protected, no? Yet here you all are crying out for the filthy unvaccinated to be banned from parts of society with glee. It's horrible.

Vaccinated people believe they won't get covid. Yet I keep reading stories about how badly they ill they are after being double vaccinated.

What is the evidence that vaccinated people believe they won't get covid? Ridiculous, sweeping statement.

oops!

I don’t care about whether I personally can go to the panto. (Am double vaccinated anyway.)

My issues with domestic vaccine passports are more along the lines of the downsides outweighing the upsides.

So:

• it is practically difficult to implement well. Example: Currently here you need a driving license or a passport to get the app to work. Not everyone has that. Ok, we can use a pdf of your vaccine certificate instead. But that’s easy to fake, so we’re phasing that out.
• it is practically difficult to enforce well
• there will always be edge cases who are negatively affected - people vaccinated abroad, etc
• bad future precedents in terms of civil liberties (even if you like this government, could you trust a future government you don’t like not to misuse this?)
• it is likely to turn more people towards viewing vaccination and public health measures as a thing the government makes you do, which will have future affects on vaccine hesitancy and compliance with other public health measures beyond the current pandemic.

It’s really not just about whether willingly unvaccinated people might sit next to me at the panto.

*Unvaccinated by choice, "suck it up buttercup"

And we can all just get on with things.*

I’d like to be able to get a Covid pass for my double-vaccinated 13-year-old. That would be useful.

I'm unvaccinated and happy to forego anything which necessitates a covid passport.

We aren't all throwing our toys out of the pram.

Personally I value my health more than foreign travel, concerts, hospitality etc.
If other unvaccinated people don't then I'd suggest that their reasons for declining the offer of a vaccine don't stand up to much rigour and are most likely ideological. Which is fine, but you then need to accept that you won't be included at venues and within countries which are presently requiring you to be vaccinated.