If you do not want your 12-15 yr old to have the vaccine but are vaccinated yourself, why?

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Just reading through the Will your 12-15 be vaccinated thread. If you are vaccinated, but do not want your 12-15 year old to have due to low risk if they catch it, what age would be the ideal time to get it?

@herecomesthsun

When you are advocating for children to be jabbed, do you not take into consideration the many threads on here explaining adverse reactions and the published information surrounding this? Or are you choosing to ignore it and read nothing but newspapers?

[quote Peteycat]@herecomesthsun

When you are advocating for children to be jabbed, do you not take into consideration the many threads on here explaining adverse reactions and the published information surrounding this? Or are you choosing to ignore it and read nothing but newspapers?[/quote]
I read the medical articles Petey.

There are very few risks that have emerged, and the risks of covid appear greater.

The balance of benefit over risk, medically and in terms of education is in favour of vaccinations for 12 - 15s.

People can of course choose not to have a vaccine and that is their choice.

However, I don't think it is right that you should spam a parents' forum with misinformation about a vaccine that offers real benefits to people.

I think over 18. Before that the risk/benefit is very slim.
My children do not want the vaccine, and I do not want them to have it. I am happy to reassess in a couple of months.

"I read the medical articles Petey."

Well you don't seem to be absorbing the information.

"There are very few risks that have emerged, and the risks of covid appear greater."

Oh my goodness. Very few? Really?

yes

Reasons why:
I'm incredibly uncomfortable with the way anyone who expresses adverse reactions or concerns about the programme is immediately labelled as some kind of Trump-loving QAnon fan anti-vaxxer. To progress in scientific understanding you NEED to be able to be able to constructively question things - that's being shut down.

The swine flu vaccine and how long it took those victims to gain any kind of recognition and compensation for side effects from it
Risk-benefit ratio for MY kids; not for society as a whole as society as a whole has shown through the course of this what it actually thinks about my family's health and wellbeing.

I've had adverse effects to the point I've basically had constant menstrual bleeding and pain since the first AZ jab, plus changed allergic reactions - and society has shown no concern for women expressing these (and I know of a fair few locally and anecdotally) - I'm older, I've had my kids - I'm not inclined to put my daughters through that risk as things currently stand. I had the jab quite early on - and things haven't improved yet so this isn't just a couple of inconvenient months.

I'm deeply opposed to the societal pressure, internet bullying and coercion being placed upon people and the willingness to disregard people's bodily autonomy and capability to give informed consent that is going along with this vaccine.

If I knew then what I know now about how governments and society have behaved over the jabs - I wouldn't have walked into that vaccine centre and had the jab to be honest.

I'm very sorry if anyone has had any health problems that have caused concern.

It isn't always clear whether these are or are not linked to a vaccine, in an individual case; it would be a really good idea to discuss with your doctor, if you haven't already.

It remains a personal choice whether anyone wants to have a vaccine or have their children to have it.

I don't see evidence of "coercion" to have vaccines. In some jobs, and for travel, vaccines have been requested for many years, even where there hasn't been a pandemic, so covid is not unique in that.

There is some evidence of "internet bullying" and lobbying in the other direction, for example it does seem likely that we have had the occasional poster sign up to mumsnet perhaps specifically to try and swing opinion against vaccinations and mitigations.

No one will carry out a medical procedure without consent.

I hope you feel better soon.

“Putting something into your body, with no expiration date, that literally high jacks your DNA, in order to trick your cells into making a virus like protein, so your tricked immune system attacks it, seems to me like an extremely good way to acquire an auto immune disease“

I had Pfizer. So will my kids if our government has its way. The above is why I am not going to let them have it.

"It isn't always clear whether these are or are not linked to a vaccine, in an individual case; it would be a really good idea to discuss with your doctor, if you haven't already."

Oh come on @herecomesthsun

This poor lady has spelled it out for you and yet, you still try to minimise her feelings and experiences of the vaccine. There are thousands of women like this at the moment, yet you still tell them ooh, it might not be that, because I want to be 'safe', so you must vaccinate your child etc.

I personally think that covid is a very good way to develop or worsen an autoimmune disease.

That's why we are all vaccinated, as far as possible.

"don't see evidence of "coercion" to have vaccines. In some jobs, and for travel, vaccines have been requested for many years, even where there hasn't been a pandemic, so covid is not unique in that."

So your telling me that the travel restrictions didn't contribute to people's decisions about getting the vaccine?

@Peteycat

"It isn't always clear whether these are or are not linked to a vaccine, in an individual case; it would be a really good idea to discuss with your doctor, if you haven't already."

Oh come on @herecomesthsun

This poor lady has spelled it out for you and yet, you still try to minimise her feelings and experiences of the vaccine. There are thousands of women like this at the moment, yet you still tell them ooh, it might not be that, because I want to be 'safe', so you must vaccinate your child etc.

oh come on Petey.

I completely sympathise with the poor lady and hope she gets better soon.

I would suggest that anyone who has concerns gets some real life medical advice.

"No one will carry out a medical procedure without consent."

Consent or informed consent @herecomesthsun?

"I would suggest that anyone who has concerns gets some real life medical advice."

They are and are hitting brick walls.

What about this very strange mechanism of the Pfizer vaccine though @herecomesthsun?

Can you or anyone else shine a light on how this may have no connection with auto immunity? Please.

"completely sympathise with the poor lady and hope she gets better soon."

Me too, but I offer her to be listened to also, instead of ignoring the issue.

"There is some evidence of "internet bullying" and lobbying in the other direction, for example it does seem likely that we have had the occasional poster sign up to mumsnet perhaps specifically to try and swing opinion against vaccinations and mitigations."

We also get people like you who try and swing opinion.

"It remains a personal choice whether anyone wants to have a vaccine or have their children to have it."

With societal consequences and pressures.

[quote Peteycat]@herecomesthsun

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I personally think that covid is a very good way to develop or worsen an autoimmune disease.

That's why we are all vaccinated, as far as possible."

Why are you still spouting nonsense?[/quote]
It is true that there is a potential issue with covid and auto inmmunec disease Petey - we have a family history of auto immune disease and I wouldn't fancy my OH and kids going through a cytokine storm (which you can get with covid)

@Peteycat

"There is some evidence of "internet bullying" and lobbying in the other direction, for example it does seem likely that we have had the occasional poster sign up to mumsnet perhaps specifically to try and swing opinion against vaccinations and mitigations."

We also get people like you who try and swing opinion.

I am a parent who has been posting on this site for over 13 years.

I am happy to try and add some facts into the discussions.

Mums and parents are more savvy than some "armchair activists" might think.

@Peteycat

"It remains a personal choice whether anyone wants to have a vaccine or have their children to have it."

With societal consequences and pressures.

but not legal compulsion or coercion (and that is how it should be)

"It is true that there is a potential issue with covid and auto inmmunec disease Petey - we have a family history of auto immune disease and I wouldn't fancy my OH and kids going through a cytokine storm (which you can get with covid)"

Yes, and I understand your worries. However, advocating for children to get the jab putting them at a potential risk isn't fair. There is also a risk with the vaccine for this problem. It does not mean you can try and tell others that the vaccine is safer than covid.