If you do not want your 12-15 yr old to have the vaccine but are vaccinated yourself, why?

[Cupoteap]

Just reading through the Will your 12-15 be vaccinated thread. If you are vaccinated, but do not want your 12-15 year old to have due to low risk if they catch it, what age would be the ideal time to get it?

It looks like someone's got their knickers in a twist over parallel drawn with historical events.

Those who fail to learn the lesson of history are doomed to repeat it.

@Peteycat

"12:40IncredulousOne

Oh, and I have Jewish ancestry, so I think I might actually be qualified to comment."

I understand your point to a degree, but I do think it's a very sensitive upsetting subject so people get offended. I don't use the comparison because personally I read alot about the treatment of Jewish people and its very very sad.

It is very very sad. Which it why it was impressed upon me by my ancestors that it must never be allowed to happen again.

@TubeOfSmarties

When the decision is made by scientists, not politicians

Pretty much this, I'm sorry, but when the scientific experts say 16+ but the goons in charge want to plough on anyway, I cannot trust their judgement.

@Peteycat

An article discussing the link between the anti-vaccination movement and anti-semitism.

www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/05/anti-vaccination-germany-anti-semitism/618777/?fbclid=IwAR1khTa1EHUbew9WnO0xeaByFQOVQTIq_6RRTgX5VWLPEpfCOXanbPBqIdo

@BlueBlancmange

Im not opening it or reading it. Please could we just forget this tangent now. Some find it offensive and I would like to keep this debate respectful.

[quote Peteycat]@BlueBlancmange

Im not opening it or reading it. Please could we just forget this tangent now. Some find it offensive and I would like to keep this debate respectful.[/quote]
Why would you want to overlook it?

"Why would you want to overlook it?"

It's distasteful and disrespectful.

@Peteycat

"Why would you want to overlook it?"

It's distasteful and disrespectful.

In what way? Are you saying you believe the link between the anti-vaccination movement and anti-semitism is not true? Or are you saying you believe it is true, but somehow it's distasteful and disrespectful to mention it?

"10:20BlueBlancmange

Peteycat

"Why would you want to overlook it?"

It's distasteful and disrespectful.

In what way? Are you saying you believe the link between the anti-vaccination movement and anti-semitism is not true? Or are you saying you believe it is true, but somehow it's distasteful and disrespectful to mention it?"

I'm saying, using the treatment of the Jewish people, for either side of the argument tlrigjt now isn't helpful.

It just makes me feel uncomfortable and sad.

@BlueBlancmange

Actually, I think what you (and others like you) are doing is disgusting. You are taking an example where anti-vaxxers were also anti-Semites and then using that to deliberately conflate those who have concerns about the safety and efficacy of the vaccines as right wing, racist and anti-Semitic.

What you are doing is as intellectually dishonest as the stereotypical right-wing knuckledragger who says "some black people are more involved in knife crime, which proves that all black people are violent backward savages".

That you do this at the same time as trying to claim some sort of moral high ground is both deeply ironic and stinks of hypocrisy.

I'd say someone just ignoring the link because it makes their beliefs questionable, is what is distasteful and disrespectful.

[quote IncredulousOne]@BlueBlancmange

Actually, I think what you (and others like you) are doing is disgusting. You are taking an example where anti-vaxxers were also anti-Semites and then using that to deliberately conflate those who have concerns about the safety and efficacy of the vaccines as right wing, racist and anti-Semitic.

What you are doing is as intellectually dishonest as the stereotypical right-wing knuckledragger who says "some black people are more involved in knife crime, which proves that all black people are violent backward savages".

That you do this at the same time as trying to claim some sort of moral high ground is both deeply ironic and stinks of hypocrisy.[/quote]
No, it makes the whole basis of the anti-vaccination movement questionable.

Questioning this particular vaccination does not make someone an “anti-vaxxer”. Many people who are questioning it are not “anti-vaxxers”.

"10:52changeyourname11111

Questioning this particular vaccination does not make someone an “anti-vaxxer”. Many people who are questioning it are not “anti-vaxxers”."

Agreed. Thank you.

@BlueBlancmange

"No, it makes the whole basis of the anti-vaccination movement questionable"

Your motives on here to keep this topic going, when I have asked you nicely twice now to stop are questionable.

If you want to argue about the vaccination, please come with a more intelligent and tasteful response next time.

@BlueBlancmange

Whatever your agenda is, please stop using the terrible treatment of people to qualify your opinion. It's horrible.

[quote Peteycat]@BlueBlancmange

"No, it makes the whole basis of the anti-vaccination movement questionable"

Your motives on here to keep this topic going, when I have asked you nicely twice now to stop are questionable.

If you want to argue about the vaccination, please come with a more intelligent and tasteful response next time.[/quote]
Spot on. Trying to silence individuals, who have misgivings about this particular vaccine, by accusing them of anti semitism is pathetic.

@labtest57

"Spot on. Trying to silence individuals, who have misgivings about this particular vaccine, by accusing them of anti semitism is pathetic."

Thank you, I won't lie it's upset me again today, because it's like if you don't agree with them about the vaccination, they will try and label you with awful things.

Not read the whole thread but to answer the original question: because to my 12-year-old son, the tiny risk from the vaccine is still slightly higher than the tiny risk from the disease. This is what the JCVI said.

I am in my early 40s, so was more at risk from covid than the jab, so I had the jab.

It isn't about accusing individuals of anti-semitism. It's about getting people to think about the movement in general and its origins. And to then ask themselves what the agenda behind the information they are taking on board and spreading might be.

Spot on. Trying to silence individuals, who have misgivings about this particular vaccine, by accusing them of anti semitism is pathetic

@BlueBlancmange

It isn't about accusing individuals of anti-semitism. It's about getting people to think about the movement in general and its origins. And to then ask themselves what the agenda behind the information they are taking on board and spreading might be.

Spot on. Trying to silence individuals, who have misgivings about this particular vaccine, by accusing them of anti semitism is pathetic

This isn't about being in a movement. It is individuals deciding for themselves what medical interventions they wish to accept. In other words bodily autonomy.

@labtest57

It seems very unlikely that the concerns anyone has around the vaccine are totally uninfluenced by the misinformation that is being put out by those at the heart of the anti-vaccination 'movement'.

@labtest57

Here are some accounts of other people who felt very strongly about protecting their bodily autonomy. Unfortunately Covid didn't respect their bodily autonomy and now they are no longer here to worry about it.

www.sorryantivaxxer.com

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@labtest57

It seems very unlikely that the concerns anyone has around the vaccine are totally uninfluenced by the misinformation that is being put out by those at the heart of the anti-vaccination 'movement'."

Why are you so bothered whether people have the vaccine or not? Why are you so preoccupied with others?