If you do not want your 12-15 yr old to have the vaccine but are vaccinated yourself, why?

[Cupoteap]

Just reading through the Will your 12-15 be vaccinated thread. If you are vaccinated, but do not want your 12-15 year old to have due to low risk if they catch it, what age would be the ideal time to get it?

[quote BlueBlancmange]@labtest57

It seems very unlikely that the concerns anyone has around the vaccine are totally uninfluenced by the misinformation that is being put out by those at the heart of the anti-vaccination 'movement'.[/quote]
Really. Most people I know who don't want it already have natural immunity. Lisa Shaw is dead, that is not false information put forward by the anti vax movement is it? If I already have immunity, even if the risk of a serious adverse reaction is tiny, why would I take that risk?

"seems very unlikely that the concerns anyone has around the vaccine are totally uninfluenced by the misinformation that is being put out by those at the heart of the anti-vaccination 'movement'."

I'm not against people having the vaccine, I'm against forced control and societal pressure to have it. I'm against children having it, unless discussed with doctors and parents for CEV children where the benefits outweigh the risk.

I am not influenced by anyone, the information is there for all to see. The numerous threads on here alone about adverse reactions too.

There is no movement in my world, just people making informed choices about their own bodies.

@Peteycat

"13:58BlueBlancmange

@labtest57

It seems very unlikely that the concerns anyone has around the vaccine are totally uninfluenced by the misinformation that is being put out by those at the heart of the anti-vaccination 'movement'."

Why are you so bothered whether people have the vaccine or not? Why are you so preoccupied with others?

Because if people want to live in a functioning society, they all need to do their bit to get the pandemic as far under control as possible. It's a team effort.

I did my bit by working throughout, catching it, and now contributing to herd immunity by having natural antibodies, which if research from Israel is anything to go by, is more robust than vaccine acquired immunity. I also give blood, and am on the organ and bone marrow register....all for the greater good.

@Peteycat

"Because if people want to live in a functioning society, they all need to do their bit to get the pandemic as far under control as possible. It's a team effort."

People can choose their own option in regards to vaccination.

However, I was correct in suggesting that you had an agenda. Here it is, your last post. You are disgusting to use the reference and link you made, to promote your opinion, and generalise a set of people.

Go away.

I'd say it's the people pushing the misinformation that resulted in these people's deaths that are disgusting. And it's really not for you to tell people to go away from a public forum I'm afraid.

@changeyourname11111

Questioning this particular vaccination does not make someone an “anti-vaxxer”. Many people who are questioning it are not “anti-vaxxers”.

Agreed.

Asking questions is not anti-science. Asking questions IS science.

@Cupoteap

Just reading through the Will your 12-15 be vaccinated thread. If you are vaccinated, but do not want your 12-15 year old to have due to low risk if they catch it, what age would be the ideal time to get it?

Nobody can answer this without medical education. How can other people possibly know what age is ideal??

There is a thread going at the moment with adults that are having heart issues after they have had the vaccine.

Ive had both and was fine, had to because of work. But reports are starting to trickle in now about people having issues with their heart.

Children should not be having this vaccine especially when they dont need it.

@Evesgarden

There is a thread going at the moment with adults that are having heart issues after they have had the vaccine.

Ive had both and was fine, had to because of work. But reports are starting to trickle in now about people having issues with their heart.

Children should not be having this vaccine especially when they dont need it.

I agree entirely.

It disgusts me that those who have experienced adverse effects are having their experiences written off as coincidences, apparently because it goes against the official narrative that "the vaccines are safe and effective". Anyone who questioned this was labelled an anti-vaxxer, a Covid-denier, a conspiracy theorist, or worse (as demonstrated earlier on this thread).

And it seems that it's only now that the numbers are just too significant to deny is the truth beginning to come out. (Though some still want to cling to their slurs and inaccurate generalisations)

The government should have been open and honest with us about the real risks and the limited benefits from the start. Then our decisions about vaccination could have been made with a proper understanding of risk-benefit (which is the basis for INFORMED consent). Not just on the say-so of Chris Whitty telling us that they were safe and effective.

At least this has started to come out in time for me to realise not to let the kids be vaccinated for as long as I'm responsible for acting in their best interests.

I only had the vaccine because of social pressure. I’d already had covid and I’m not cev

My ds19 had one dose of AZ and had myocarditis

DS16 won’t be having it. He’s had covid which was like hay fever for 24 hours so literally no point anyway.

"09:44hamstersarse

I only had the vaccine because of social pressure. I’d already had covid and I’m not cev

My ds19 had one dose of AZ and had myocarditis

DS16 won’t be having it. He’s had covid which was like hay fever for 24 hours so literally no point anyway."

Sorry to hear about your son I hope he's OK x

@Peteycat

"seems very unlikely that the concerns anyone has around the vaccine are totally uninfluenced by the misinformation that is being put out by those at the heart of the anti-vaccination 'movement'."

I'm not against people having the vaccine, I'm against forced control and societal pressure to have it. I'm against children having it, unless discussed with doctors and parents for CEV children where the benefits outweigh the risk.

I am not influenced by anyone, the information is there for all to see. The numerous threads on here alone about adverse reactions too.

There is no movement in my world, just people making informed choices about their own bodies.

Well there is no " forced control "to have a vaccine.

The information is all out there about how the benefits overall outweigh the risks.

Many parents of teens are in their 40s. If you are that old, any covid vax is a no brainer. (I am that old!). Teens are much younger, healthier and more resilient in terms of covid. I have two 12-15s. Don't know what to do. Me and dh double jabbed with AZ.

"Well there is no " forced control "to have a vaccine."

Well depends, the thousands of carers who were made to have it may have not been forced in the usual sense, but had their hands tied about losing their jobs.

"The information is all out there about how the benefits overall outweigh the risks." "

There wasn't enough information when people were initially getting the vaccine.

@Peteycat

"Well there is no " forced control "to have a vaccine."

Well depends, the thousands of carers who were made to have it may have not been forced in the usual sense, but had their hands tied about losing their jobs.

"The information is all out there about how the benefits overall outweigh the risks." "

There wasn't enough information when people were initially getting the vaccine.

So no one is compelled to have a vaccine.

Many health workers already have to have Hep B vaccines to protect patients - do you think this is wrong?

I think actually there has been a huge amount of information made available (at the very soonest point possible) .

But it remains true that the benefits overall generally outweigh the risks.

That's untrue.

The benefits of vaccination DO outweigh the risks for 12-15s.

Please don't spread misinformation thanks.

"17:53herecomesthsun

That's untrue.

The benefits of vaccination DO outweigh the risks for 12-15s.

Please don't spread misinformation thanks."

Nope. You are wrong. It clearly says on gov. Uk that the risk to children is minimal from covid. The data is out there to show us the risk, especially for boys for myocarditis. The JCVI etc etc. How much more evidence do you want me to give you, until its staring you in the face?

Im not spreading misinformation, even the experts cannot agree.

You have your jabs, no one cares, but people care about the risk to children.

No, even the JCVI reported that there was on balance a health benefit.

And then the CMOs overall decded that the benefit was in favour of vaccination.

Of course personal choice remains.

But please don't spread inaccurate information.

From the Guardian
"The UK’s CMOs are recommending vaccines for 12- to 15-year-olds on “public health grounds” because it is “likely vaccination will help reduce transmission of Covid-19 in schools”.

They added: “Covid-19 is a disease which can be very effectively transmitted by mass spreading events, especially with the Delta variant. Having a significant proportion of pupils vaccinated is likely to reduce the probability of such events which are likely to cause local outbreaks in, or associated with, schools.

“They will also reduce the chance an individual child gets Covid-19. This means vaccination is likely to reduce (but not eliminate) education disruption.” "

The JCVI’s Prof Wei Shen Lim says there is “no conflict” between its advice and that of the CMOs, adding that the CMOs had looked at jabs from a much wider perspective.

England’s chief medical officer, Prof Chris Whitty, said the CMOs “think on balance the benefits both at an individual level and in terms of wider indirect benefits to education and through that to public health are in favour, otherwise we would not be making this recommendation”.

Hope that helps.