If you do not want your 12-15 yr old to have the vaccine but are vaccinated yourself, why?

[Cupoteap]

Just reading through the Will your 12-15 be vaccinated thread. If you are vaccinated, but do not want your 12-15 year old to have due to low risk if they catch it, what age would be the ideal time to get it?

The age the JCVI recommended it for 16+

I am double jabbed. One of my kids just had covid a few weeks ago and he falls into the 12-15 camp. I don’t see why I should give him anything that carries any risk at all to protect him from something that he has now caught and recovered fine from. It might reduce transmission but it doesn’t stop it so for us it’s a no brainer. And my CEV husband agrees.

@SoOvethis what age would be right?

When they receive a benefit from it

Either because they need it health wise (JCVI confirmed they dont) or because the uk introduces passports which mean they'll benefit having it for that reason

I'm not against the vaccine

I believe its safe

But right now there is no benefit whatsoever to having this vaccine other than 3 million kids having the vaccine to protect the 5 million adults who refused

Look at the death rate for this age group ... non existent ... so why would you vaccinate and risk side effects 🤷🏼‍♀️

I don't get that graph - how can there possibly be that many over-80s still unvaccinated?

I'm on the fence at the moment, but the JCVI saying there was negligible health benefit to healthy children having it and refusing to endorse the rollout has really impacted my thinking. We're going to wait to see what happens with the infection rate in the next few weeks, plus we need to respect the views of our DD who right now doesn't want it because she and her friends are aware of the JCVI has said.

On a side note, what a surprise that a SAGE sub-committee has come out today to claim we could hit 7000+ hospitalisations a day next month if the Govt doesn't go hard on measures like compulsory masks and even lockdowns. Clearly timed to scaremonger parents over their kids being jabbed, which makes me even less keen to sign mine up. They must think we're stupid.

Plus, this:

But right now there is no benefit whatsoever to having this vaccine other than 3 million kids having the vaccine to protect the 5 million adults who refused

@BigSandyBalls2015 from that graph, where would the line be to intro it, wouldn't it be later than 18?

Flatto

Because people in that age will always die of something and covid is still a risk to them

People in their 80s have always died of normal colds and flu so even if vaccinated with moderate symptoms they're at risk

@Cupoteap 40+ IMO ... if not later

My DD isn't keen because she saw how rough we felt after our vaccine & doesn't want to go through that if it's of negligible benefit, I'm not going to force her to have a vaccine she doesn't want in case it makes future 'important' jabs like HPV more traumatic and risks her refusing them. I'm saving my strength for that!

@flattopgr1nch

I don't get that graph - how can there possibly be that many over-80s still unvaccinated?

It's a rate per 100,000. So the death rate is about 120 per 100,000. You'd only need about 830 unvaccinated people with Covid of whom 1 died to get that rate. Am not saying at all that these are the figures, but you don't need very many people to get to those rates. You certainly don't need 100,000 unvaccinated people or 120 deaths.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if there were a lot more unvaccinated over-80s than you might think. It's a small percentage, but there's a lot of over-80s!

@Watapalava

When they receive a benefit from it

Either because they need it health wise (JCVI confirmed they dont) or because the uk introduces passports which mean they'll benefit having it for that reason

I'm not against the vaccine

I believe its safe

But right now there is no benefit whatsoever to having this vaccine other than 3 million kids having the vaccine to protect the 5 million adults who refused

Totally agree

Because I'd risk myself, but not my children.

Just because the kids aren’t dying from it is no reason not to vaccinate against covid. Kids may not die from polio, smallpox or german measles but we vaccinate (or vaccinated) against those because the side effects from those diseases are a real concern. Long covid in this age group can be debilitating.

@flattopgr1nch

I don't get that graph - how can there possibly be that many over-80s still unvaccinated?

The graph shows rates of death per 100,000 people not total numbers. With over 90% of older age groups vaccinated you can get more vaccinated people dying than non vaccinated (that doesn't mean that vaccination doesn't work).

By the way @BigSandyBalls2015, that's a a really good graph. I'd been told vaccination had the same effect on risk of death as being about 20 years younger, and that's really clear in the graph. Needs to be posted all over the place so that people understand a) that vaccinated people still die and b) that the vaccine does actually do something!

We were swaying towards letting them have it until the JCVI said no.

If it stopped transmission we would but as it stands it doesn't, we don't want to give them something with no benefits.

DS had covid in July and was a bit off for a few days then fine.

Another thing worrying me is the effect on periods, my jabs have messed mine up, do I want that for DD when we don't know the long term effects?

We've said all along we'll follow the science, so that's what we're doing.

I don’t have to decide as my kids aren’t in that age bracket but I think it should be a priority to vaccinate as many high risk people around the world rather than start on lower risk people.
I’d rather more mitigation’s in schools.

The benefit is small and more of a societal benefit than an individual one. On an individual level, the risk between covid and side effects from vaccine hang in the balance. There is no benefit for travel etc as only having one jab.

At 16 they can make their own decision and that is the age JCVI have recommended it from.

@JingleCatJingle

Just because the kids aren’t dying from it is no reason not to vaccinate against covid. Kids may not die from polio, smallpox or german measles but we vaccinate (or vaccinated) against those because the side effects from those diseases are a real concern. Long covid in this age group can be debilitating.

They did die from it. These illnesses killed millions of children

I don’t believe it is right to vaccinate children for whom Covid poses little threat to protect adults who are unvaccinated. I am vaccinated and I am not anti vaccine . But when the risk of side effects outweighs the benefit to the child it’s a no.

But it's the UNvaccinated bar I'm talking about. 96% of over-70s were double jabbed by May. How is the unvaccinated bar so high?

Quote didn't seem to work - was quoting @hgaj's post.