If you do not want your 12-15 yr old to have the vaccine but are vaccinated yourself, why?

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Just reading through the Will your 12-15 be vaccinated thread. If you are vaccinated, but do not want your 12-15 year old to have due to low risk if they catch it, what age would be the ideal time to get it?

@Peteycat

"Even more problematic when you dig deeper into the anti-mask, covid-denying, anti-vaccines groups, who typically have strong ties to anti-Semitic beliefs."

I agree with your previous comment until this last paragraph. Where is your evidence that these groups are anti - Semitic?

Conspriacy theories being linked to anti-Semitism is nothing new @Peteycat. I'm not saying all groups have these beliefs, but there is a strong correlation between COVID-denying and anti-vaccine agendas and far-right ideology including racism.

www.isdglobal.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/the-rise-of-antisemitism-during-the-pandemic.pdf

Oh, and I have Jewish ancestry, so I think I might actually be qualified to comment.

"Conspriacy theories being linked to anti-Semitism is nothing new @Peteycat. I'm not saying all groups have these beliefs, but there is a strong correlation between COVID-denying and anti-vaccine agendas and far-right ideology including racism."

Our current government that people are worshipping right now, have strong links to historic racism too. And current racism. Olly, that link doesn't look very credible really.

@IncredulousOne

Oh, and I have Jewish ancestry, so I think I might actually be qualified to comment.

There is an oft touted interview with a Jewish woman who wore a yellow star to COVID-denying, anti-vaccine, anti-mask protest.

As has been pointed out by the community, one woman being happy to go along with it who is Jewish doesn't mean it's not problematic.

"12:40IncredulousOne

Oh, and I have Jewish ancestry, so I think I might actually be qualified to comment."

I understand your point to a degree, but I do think it's a very sensitive upsetting subject so people get offended. I don't use the comparison because personally I read alot about the treatment of Jewish people and its very very sad.

@Peteycat

"Conspriacy theories being linked to anti-Semitism is nothing new *@Peteycat*. I'm not saying all groups have these beliefs, but there is a strong correlation between COVID-denying and anti-vaccine agendas and far-right ideology including racism."

Our current government that people are worshipping right now, have strong links to historic racism too. And current racism. Olly, that link doesn't look very credible really.

What don't you consider about a report from the European Commission compiled by the Institute of Strategic Dialogue not credible?

"What don't you consider about a report from the European Commission compiled by the Institute of Strategic Dialogue not credible?"

You always seem to dig theses obscure links from the Internet to qualify your opinion.

@Peteycat

"What don't you consider about a report from the European Commission compiled by the Institute of Strategic Dialogue not credible?"

You always seem to dig theses obscure links from the Internet to qualify your opinion.

I make a statement, you ask for evidence which is fair enough, I provide something high quality and your only response is that it's "not credible" and then when it's clear this isn't the case, it's "obscure"

It makes discussions rather difficult

@ollyollyoxenfree

"Peteycat

"What don't you consider about a report from the European Commission compiled by the Institute of Strategic Dialogue not credible?"

You always seem to dig theses obscure links from the Internet to qualify your opinion.

I make a statement, you ask for evidence which is fair enough, I provide something high quality and your only response is that it's "not credible" and then when it's clear this isn't the case, it's "obscure"

It makes discussions rather difficult"

I think we may have to agree to disagree about this being 'high quality'.

What don't you think is high quality about a report from the European Commission? @Peteycat

The lead authors (Milo Comerford, Senior Policy Manager, and Lea Gerster, Analyst, at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue) look qualified enough to me to compile such a report.

@ollyollyoxenfree

I am sure you have researched these people, however it does not deviate from the fact that you have yet again, assumed that everyone /most who is 'anti vaxx', ahem, is anti - Semitic.

This just simply isn't true.

[quote Peteycat]@ollyollyoxenfree

I am sure you have researched these people, however it does not deviate from the fact that you have yet again, assumed that everyone /most who is 'anti vaxx', ahem, is anti - Semitic.

This just simply isn't true.[/quote]
Urm, I think you're confused (again). Here's my post for reference.

Conspriacy theories being linked to anti-Semitism is nothing new @Peteycat. I'm not saying all groups have these beliefs, but there is a strong correlation between COVID-denying and anti-vaccine agendas and far-right ideology including racism.

I'm also not sure why you're putting "anti-vax" in quotation marks either? As I said I'm referring to the groups who make claims such as the vaccines are going to kill everyone off in two years, they're being used a method of mass depopulation, they're being used to put you inn a database, the pandemic doesn't exist etc etc etc

I'm not sure how you could describe these groups as anything but "anti-vax"

Completely different risk: benefit profile.

Like comparing apples and pears.

She had covid last month, so she already has immunity. I would consider it maybe in 6 to 9 months time, especially if there are updated vaccines to whatever new variants can emerge by then.

[quote Peteycat]@Ollyollyoxenfree

"Conspriacy theories being linked to anti-Semitism is nothing new @Peteycat. I'm not saying all groups have these beliefs, but there is a strong correlation between COVID-denying and anti-vaccine agendas and far-right ideology including racism."

You say there is a strong correlation. I disagree. The report may have used a group or groups that are linked to racism. That does not mean you can generalise and decide that this is how they are.You are spreading misinformation again.

It seems that anyone who disagrees with your agenda, because you seem to be a lockdown and restriction fanatic, you feel the need to try and label them with some foul, wild, vile accusation.[/quote]
This is getting a little repetitive @Peteycat. You don't seem to be able to follow the points I'm making and instead veer onto your default black and white thinking and standard script.

The statement that anti-vaccine (in the true sense of the word, as described) and covid-denying agendas are often correlated with far right ideology is not a controversial one nor is it spreading misinformation. At no point have I stated that anyone who has opposing views on vaccines, masks, or lockdowns is racist

And I've said this before - but please link to any of my posts where I'm a "lockdown or restriction fanatic"?

I've got a much delayed research project aimed to start in Nov, which requires participants coming in, and a holiday abroad booked for Oct to see my family. Lockdown would obviously put both those plans up in smoke.

"Again - please do link to any of my posts where I say this or indeed anything negative about someone who has chosen not to be vaccinated?"

Right below for you @Ollyollyoxenfree

You say, the people that are linked to anti vaxx groups, so clearly unvaccinated....

hmm more problematic when you dig deeper into the anti-mask, covid-denying, anti-vaccines groups, who typically have strong ties to anti-Semitic beliefs"

Please can we ask for a bit of peace and love on this one. We get that these conversations can get heated but if we have to make any more deletions we're going to have to remove the whole thread.