If the government were honest about the next 4 months

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They'd say that children are probably going to catch covid, there is nothing to stop this happening. Lots of families will probably catch it off their children, school staff will probably catch it off children too.

Education is going to be disrupted again if the above happens. No way around it. But it could be 'over' by November when the bad weather kicks in and older folk start getting ill as per usual circumstances. At that point booster vaccs could start.

It's definitely 'an approach', but not telling people that this is the plan is unfair. Do you think people have realised this yet? Or are the Emperor's new clothes still in view?

I'm staggered at some of the appallingly selfish and, frankly, shitty attitudes shown by some posters.

I suppose last year's threads should have prepared me, but still...

CEV have been vaccinated

risk to kids - even to vulnerable cev is minimal

Data all year has shown tho

This

@Watapalava

CEV have been vaccinated

risk to kids - even to vulnerable cev is minimal

Data all year has shown tho

Not all CEV children aged 12-15 have been vaccinated. Of those that have, there will be a proportion who do not mount a good immune response and so are dependent on population level immunity.

Most CEV children under age 12 will not be able to access a coronavirus vaccine.

Cev kids risk is minimal with or without vaccine

Data throughout has proven that

Most people massively over estimate risk to cev kids

Hardly any have died since last year

Thanks for confirming that you would definitely send your asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic child into a class where there was a child known to you who was known to be clinically extremely vulnerable, even if your child was confirmed to be positive, because the inconvenience of keeping your child at home for 7-10 days, just once (as after infection they are unlikely to catch Covid again this year) is too great.

As I have a CEV child in my class this year - who has one of the conditions listed in the 12-15 vaccination group but is too young to be eligible - I will bear in mind that there may be some parents like you, and will adjust the risk assessment for this child, as it currently assumes that other parents will act within the law. Thanks for the heads-up.

@Watapalava

Most people massively over estimate risk to cev kids

Hardly any have died since last year

Death is not the only outcome that matters (although I would argue the preventable death of any child is a tragedy).

I genuinely can't believe you don't see the merit in very basic measures that could mitigate this.

(I do not think that 'death within 28 days' is necessarily the right metric to use for a CEV child - I cannot reasonably say that their risk is low enough to be ignored just because they may not die. Significant avoidable illness and significant reduction in their life expectancy as a result is a sufficiently adverse outcome to make me re-consider the risk assessment.)

Cev child are no more at risk

So your child is no more at risk than mine

You may be worried but science doesn’t back it up

Cev child are no more at risk

Can you point me to the data on that? If CEV children were not at increased risk, then it would mean that the ratio of children with underlying conditions to all other children is exactly the same in all Covid measures (infection, hospitalisation and death) as in the general population?

My understanding is that many of the children who have died / been hospilatised HAVE been those with underlying conditions that increased their vulnerability - a fact that is used by many to argue that children in general are not at risk. I don't think you can have it both ways.

@Watapalava

Cev child are no more at risk

So your child is no more at risk than mine

You may be worried but science doesn’t back it up

I don't really know what to say to this, you know it's incorrect. You've posted before that there have been no deaths in "healthy children" (which is untrue) so clearly you know it's a factor.

Children who are immunosuppressed, have DS, CF and many other disorders have been shown by "science", to be much higher risk than those not CEV.

A quick Google, with information not including the Delta variant (up to Feb 2021) says that "about half [of those dying from Covid] had conditions that put them at a higher risk than healthy children of dying from any cause".

As 'children who are at higher risk....' do not form half the population of children, then it follows that extremely vulnerable children, with specific conditions (which was why i specified those that have given priority in 12-15 vaccinations, much narrower than CEV as a whole) ARE at more risk from Covid than other children.

We've just returned from a holiday abroad and my double-jabbed DH's day 2 PCR test was positive yesterday. He's feeling pretty rough too.

The vaccination just makes it less likely to catch it and, if you do, less likely to develop severe moderate to symptoms.

It doesn't rule out you actually catching it again though - m DH is the fifth vaccinated person I know who's caught it.

*moderate to severe symptoms!

CEV kids 12-15 have NOT all been vaccinated . Just a small proportion of them and even those haven't had time to develop immunity.

CEV families remain vulnerable.

@Watapalava

Most people massively over estimate risk to cev kids

Hardly any have died since last year

I agree... Studies have shown the risk to children from Covid is less than the flu (in sharp contrast to adults)

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20210614/Study-suggests-COVID-19-in-children-is-milder-than-the-flu.aspx

However, I appreciate that the risk to CEV children is heightened, and if there was a CEV child (or sibling of a child), I'd be fine with my child taking extra precautions during a period of high infection.

@Watapalava

Most people massively over estimate risk to cev kids

Hardly any have died since last year

so it's fine if a few more dozen cop it (alone on a ventilator in an ICU) as long as your kid doesn't have to bother to test.

And it's fine if many thousands of children are very ill for months or weeks as long as your family isn't inconvenienced one bit.

because if everyone acted like you that is what will happen

Again, I admire your honesty.

[quote Warhertisuff] ~1% of children get severe or life threatening complications from COVID. Very very low.

Isn't that the more like the figure for adults, with that skewed heavily towards older people? The figures are more like 1 in 50,000 risk of being admitted to ICU and 1 in 500,000 of death.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/health-57766717.amp[/quote]
The IFR figures are a lot higher than that.

(because a lot of the kids didn't actually get covid in the timeframe discussed; if most or virtually all kids got covid the mortality would be much higher)

@Watapalava

Most people massively over estimate risk to cev kids

Hardly any have died since last year

& I think you will find that parents of children with vulnerabilities are quite keen for their kids not to get infected.

I would assume that you are not viewing things from that point of view.

I have seen posters who claim to be CEV on here saying that they aren't bothered about shielding, but I have seen not one single parent of a CEV child who doesn't care whether they get covid, to my recollection.

I think the other thing to remember is that few children have died partly because relatively few have been infected - due to the very mitigations we are taking away. Now we are actively choosing to infect children en masse, with Delta, the figures, though small in percentage terms, will become larger in absolute terms.

But @cantkeepawayforever, if I'm reading this thread correctly, quite a few people couldn't give a shit about that!

Very depressing.

Tbh, it is mainly a single poster, who is making claims about ‘everyone they know’ - as I have said earlier, I am not sure that this very extreme viewpoint is representative.

Well, you've got to hope not.

"All clinically extremely vulnerable children and young people should attend their education setting unless they are one of the very small number of children and young people under paediatric or other specialist care who have been advised by their clinician or other specialist not to attend."

This above is up to date advice on the gov. Uk website.

If I was in a situation where I was made aware of a child or adult in an educational setting, and extra measures were needed of course I would. The general view of the government is for all children to return back to normal schooling/college.