Are you letting child have the vaccine?

[GiveMeAUserName123]

I was just wondering if you have a child/ren between the ages of 12-16, that don’t have any medical conditions, or live with family members that are more at risk, will you be letting them have the vaccine?

My eldest will be turning 12 in the winter and I imagine will be given the choice to have it. I don’t think I want her too (I’ve had mine) but obviously it’s her body and her choice which is something that is held in high regard at home, so won’t voice against it, but if she does choose to have it, is she too young to decide something like this, as I’m not sure a child could really understand the full risk/benefit side of things.

How are you feeling about it in general?

It’s pretty clear that you don’t, actually. Plenty of assumptions though!

But since you seem to be on these threads 24/7, one might assume that you have some sort of agenda.

I don't think it is reasonable to discredit all advice about vaccines just because advice about AZ changed a bit.

I don't link to science because I like to discuss things in a way so everybody can be included

Does that mean posting again and again the same unsubstantiated opinions though?

@herecomesthsun

I don't think it is reasonable to discredit all advice about vaccines just because advice about AZ changed a bit.

She’s not trying to discredit it all. She made that very clear in her post. She just pointed out that advice can change.

Yes and yes and yes.

If anything we are being overcautious about vaccines, at this point. Bear in mind that US and most of Europe have approved vaccines for 12-15s and the US is looking to vaccinate under 12s.

@Itsnotover

It’s pretty clear that you don’t, actually. Plenty of assumptions though!

But since you seem to be on these threads 24/7, one might assume that you have some sort of agenda.

With the same rehashed claims, never updated despite the same argument happening probably 3 days ago, with multiple posters pointing out the flaws in this line of thinking.

Given that it's likely the JCVI will recommend the vaccine in 12-15 year olds, I wonder what the new argument will be.... (I suspect it will change to "but my children will definitely be discriminated against so therefore no healthy children should be offered the vaccine"

Don’t be ridiculous.

I have never used that as a reason that no children should ever be offered the vaccine. But I think it’s a bit short-sighted to imagine that unvaccinated children won’t end up experiencing the same sort of discrimination that unvaccinated adults do. Time will tell. No doubt there will be some MNers cheering it on .

that unvaccinated children won’t end up experiencing the same sort of discrimination that unvaccinated adults do. Time will tell. No doubt there will be some MNers cheering it on hmm.

And when you run out of credible arguments, you respond to emotionally loaded suggestions with a healthy dollop of exaggeration.

I don’t think it’s an exaggeration. I think it’s likely that young people who are not vaccinated may be discriminated against in the same way as unvaccinated adults. Do you think there is no possibility of that? You don’t think a child will ever be excluded from something based on their vaccine status?

And I’m really not sure what you mean by ‘run out of credible arguments’. Credible arguments for what?

Absolutely. My 16 year old had hers a couple of weeks ago and my 15 year old is the only one in the house who hasn't been vaccinated. Can't come soon enough,

@bumbleymummy

I don’t think it’s an exaggeration. I think it’s likely that young people who are not vaccinated may be discriminated against in the same way as unvaccinated adults. Do you think there is no possibility of that? You don’t think a child will ever be excluded from something based on their vaccine status?

And I’m really not sure what you mean by ‘run out of credible arguments’. Credible arguments for what?

And what's your solution? As I said - it seems like you think but my children will definitely be discriminated against so therefore no healthy children should be offered the vaccine.

I didn't say there will be no chance of this happening to a single child, but it should be mitigated against with careful messaging from schools and PHE. It certainly isn't a reason to deny children the option of having the vaccine, just because your hypothetical scenario is a possibility.

And I’m really not sure what you mean by ‘run out of credible arguments’. Credible arguments for what?
...that non-vulnerable children should be denied the option of having the coronavirus vaccine.

@bumbleymummy

I don’t think it’s an exaggeration. I think it’s likely that young people who are not vaccinated may be discriminated against in the same way as unvaccinated adults. Do you think there is no possibility of that? You don’t think a child will ever be excluded from something based on their vaccine status?

And I’m really not sure what you mean by ‘run out of credible arguments’. Credible arguments for what?

Not a reason for failing to offer 12-15s, especially vulnerable ones, vaccination.

@bumbleymummy

I'm interested in what unvaccinated adults are being excluded from...

@Wellbythebloodyhell It's an on going situation. So, the things can change quite quickly according to the latest findings. If they had the data they do now, I do wonder many countries may have had different reaction to the averse effects of vaccines.
www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/27/blood-clot-risk-greater-after-covid-infection-than-after-vaccination

@bumbleymummy

So do you think it's unreasonable for parents to want to get their children vaccinated to for many different reasons, some for direct safety, some for undisrupted education, or maybe for greater good, just because those who won't by choice may get disadvantage by being excluded? Are you serious?

...that non-vulnerable children should be denied the option of having the coronavirus vaccine.

I haven’t argued this. You are the one who tried to put those words in my mouth up there and I’ve already stated that you are incorrect. More false accusations I said that I wouldn’t vaccinate my^ children and I’ve discussed how children are low risk.

No, @illuyankas, I don’t think that. Salted just thinks I do.

@herecomesthsun

If anything we are being overcautious about vaccines, at this point. Bear in mind that US and most of Europe have approved vaccines for 12-15s and the US is looking to vaccinate under 12s.

That’s great news about the US looking at doing the under 12s.

@bumbleymummy

...that non-vulnerable children should be denied the option of having the coronavirus vaccine.

I haven’t argued this. You are the one who tried to put those words in my mouth up there and I’ve already stated that you are incorrect. More false accusations I said that I wouldn’t vaccinate my^ children and I’ve discussed how children are low risk.

No, @illuyankas, I don’t think that. Salted just thinks I do.

Ok great, so you don't think your hypothetical scenario of children being discriminated against is a reason to deny the vaccine to all children aged 12-15?

You keep bringing it up amongst your other arguments against vaccinating non-vulnerable children, hence why it is easy to assume you think it's a reason not offer it.

For the third time now, no. You just made that up and attributed it to me!

“ (I suspect it will change to "but my children will definitely be discriminated against so therefore no healthy children should be offered the vaccine"”

I have not ‘brought it up as an argument against vaccinating children’. Seriously, are you confusing me with someone else?

@bumbleymummy

For the third time now, no. You just made that up and attributed it to me!

“ (I suspect it will change to "but my children will definitely be discriminated against so therefore no healthy children should be offered the vaccine"”

I have not ‘brought it up as an argument against vaccinating children’. Seriously, are you confusing me with someone else?

Nope, as I said, you keep bringing it up amongst your other arguments against vaccinating non-vulnerable children, hence why it is easy to assume you think it's a reason not offer it. You've completely twisted what I said there!

Thanks for clarifying.

I do think it will result in unvaccinated children being treated differently though. Look at people’s attitudes towards unvaccinated adults.

I haven’t twisted anything! Unless you think not specifying ‘non-vulnerable’ is twisting? I shouldn’t need to ‘clarify’ my position on something that you decided I think.

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I'm interested in what unvaccinated adults are being excluded from...[/quote]
@bumbleymummy

*DumplingsAndStew

@bumbleymummy

I'm interested in what unvaccinated adults are being excluded from...

*@bumbleymummy**

Theres a thread nearly every day along the lines of AIBU to cut off my unvaccinated friend/family member, one currently about going to an unvaccinated hairdresser, people are socially excluding unvaccinated acquaintances. How long do we think it will be before the "should I stop my dc hanging around with unvaccinated friends" " AIBU to only invite vaccinated friends to dc party" and in this crazy world of MN its not beyond the realms of possibility.