Are you letting child have the vaccine?

[GiveMeAUserName123]

I was just wondering if you have a child/ren between the ages of 12-16, that don’t have any medical conditions, or live with family members that are more at risk, will you be letting them have the vaccine?

My eldest will be turning 12 in the winter and I imagine will be given the choice to have it. I don’t think I want her too (I’ve had mine) but obviously it’s her body and her choice which is something that is held in high regard at home, so won’t voice against it, but if she does choose to have it, is she too young to decide something like this, as I’m not sure a child could really understand the full risk/benefit side of things.

How are you feeling about it in general?

@Wellbythebloodyhell

*DumplingsAndStew

@bumbleymummy

I'm interested in what unvaccinated adults are being excluded from...

@bumbleymummy*

Theres a thread nearly every day along the lines of AIBU to cut off my unvaccinated friend/family member, one currently about going to an unvaccinated hairdresser, people are socially excluding unvaccinated acquaintances. How long do we think it will be before the "should I stop my dc hanging around with unvaccinated friends" " AIBU to only invite vaccinated friends to dc party" and in this crazy world of MN its not beyond the realms of possibility.

MN is not representative of the general population, and choosing to go to service provider who is vaccinated, rather than unvaccinated (if possible to choose), doesn't translate to discrimination against children.

And again it leads to the same question - why should this hypothetical possibility lead to a situation where non vulnerable 12-15 years are denied the option of having the vaccine?

MN is not representative of the general population,
Thank the Lord!!!

And again it leads to the same question - why should this hypothetical possibility lead to a situation where non vulnerable 12-15 years are denied the option of having the vaccine?

Who says thats the reason they are being denied the vaccine? I'm sure concerns from MN posters are not considered in the overall decision making by the JCVI

As for being a hypothetical situation, yes it is a hypothetical situation at the moment as Is the decision whether you want to vaccinate the non vulnerable 12-15dc or not. Both have chances of becoming a reality why is it ok to discuss one hypothetical situation and not the other?

Who says thats the reason they are being denied the vaccine? I'm sure concerns from MN posters are not considered in the overall decision making by the JCVI confused

@Wellbythebloodyhell

You misunderstand me - of course I'm not saying that's why the JCVI are currently not recommending it.

But this is a thread about whether children should be vaccinated, and it keeps coming up when posters talk about why this age group shouldn't be offered it.

It hadn’t actually come up as a reason for children not to be vaccinated. You were the one that brought it up as something I apparently would think.

My dd is 17 amd deciding for

herself

@bumbleymummy

It hadn’t actually come up as a reason for children not to be vaccinated. You were the one that brought it up as something I apparently would think.

As I said in my reply...

you keep bringing it up amongst your other arguments against vaccinating non-vulnerable children, hence why it is easy to assume you think it's a reason not offer it.

Thanks for clarifying otherwise!

Except I don’t. As I’ve said to you several times already. Are you bored or do you genuinely lack basic reading and comprehension skills?

@bumbleymummy

Except I don’t. As I’ve said to you several times already. Are you bored or do you genuinely lack basic reading and comprehension skills?

I have no idea why you're attempting to gaslight and be so condescending when's it literally all over MN ​*@bumbleymummy*?

If these aren't examples of you bringing up the idea children will be discriminating against, I'm not sure what it is...

So far. Let’s see what happens when schools start back and parents don’t want their children hanging out with ‘the unvaccinated’. hmm

“Offering” it is fine. Technically the vaccine has just been ‘offered’ to all other the other age groups but look where we’ve ended up. Unvaccinated people being shunned, insulted, losing their jobs, being excluded from events etc. People probably don’t want to see the same thing happening to their children - particularly when the personal benefit is even lower for them than for other age groups.

Now, some parents will decide to vaccinate their children and then won’t let them mingle with the unvaccinated children because they’re ‘more at risk’? hmm

No doubt the parents objecting the loudest to their little darling mingling with the ‘unvaccinated’ will be the same ones that dosed their own children up on Calpol and sent them into school so they wouldn’t miss out on their attendance award

But this is a thread about whether children should be vaccinated, and it keeps coming up when posters talk about why this age group shouldn't be offered it.

I haven't seen anyone say this a specific reason not to offer the vaccine, maybe I've missed it. Its more a concern to add to the discussion, I'm not 100% either way on the hypothetical decision to vaccinate my dc, but this is something that concerns me and will play a factor in that decision making, or are we only allowed to discuss if the answer is "hell yes vaccinate my child" and dismiss concerns from anyone else who may be unsure?

@saltedcaramel87 highlighting that children could be discriminated against due to their vaccine status is not the same as saying no child should be offered it.

[quote Wellbythebloodyhell]@saltedcaramel87 highlighting that children could be discriminated against due to their vaccine status is not the same as saying no child should be offered it.[/quote]
Yes I know this, hence why I said to @bumbleymummy, "thanks for clarifying" twice now!

She is the one who followed up, asking if I lack basic intelligence and that she had never referenced the possibility of this happening, which is why I gave recent examples..

It's a big fat no from me!

Talk about twisting!

From “ you keep bringing it up amongst your other arguments against vaccinating non-vulnerable children “

To “ If these aren't examples of you bringing up the idea children will be discriminating against, I'm not sure what it is...”

Not a single one of those is an example of me using it as an argument against vaccinating children. I have said several times on this thread that I think children will be discriminated against. You didn’t exactly need to go searching other threads for examples of that

And just a little reminder for everyone that you were the one who stated this and are now trying to pass it off as my idea.

“I suspect it will change to "but my children will definitely be discriminated against so therefore no healthy children should be offered the vaccine"”

[quote Wellbythebloodyhell]@saltedcaramel87 highlighting that children could be discriminated against due to their vaccine status is not the same as saying no child should be offered it.[/quote]
Thanks for noticing. I’m not really sure what she’s playing at tbh.

Thanks for noticing. I’m not really sure what she’s playing at tbh.

Excuse me?

To reiterate:
salted: you keep bringing it up amongst your other arguments against vaccinating non-vulnerable children, hence why it is easy to assume you think it's a reason not offer it. Thanks for clarifying otherwise!

bumbley: Except I don’t

salted: yes you do - here are some recent examples of you saying children will be discriminated against.

Jeez, it just goes round and round!

The clue is in your "except I don't" in response to "you have referenced children will be discriminated against"

Note the "thanks for clarifying!" from me for the third time now.

Like blood out of a stone @bumbleymummy

@saltedcaramel87

Thanks for noticing. I’m not really sure what she’s playing at tbh.

Excuse me?

To reiterate:
salted: you keep bringing it up amongst your other arguments against vaccinating non-vulnerable children, hence why it is easy to assume you think it's a reason not offer it. Thanks for clarifying otherwise!

bumbley: Except I don’t

salted: yes you do - here are some recent examples of you saying children will be discriminated against.

Jeez, it just goes round and round!

You accused me of bringing up children being discriminated against as an argument against vaccinating all non-vulnerable children. I have not done that. As I have already explained above.

You accused me of bringing up children being discriminated against as an argument against vaccinating all non-vulnerable children. I have not done that. As I have already explained above.

Good grief. You explained this, I said thank you for clarifying. You then went on to say you'd never said children would be discriminated against. It's right there on the page in black and white (alongside you saying I lacked basic intelligence).

To reiterate:

salted: you keep bringing it up amongst your other arguments against vaccinating non-vulnerable children, hence why it is easy to assume you think it's a reason not offer it. Thanks for clarifying otherwise!

bumbley: Except I don’t

salted: yes you do - here are some recent examples of you saying children will be discriminated against.

You then went on to say you'd never said children would be discriminated against

No, I did not.

@bumbleymummy

You then went on to say you'd never said children would be discriminated against

No, I did not.

I have no idea why you're being so adamant about something that is clearly not true, when the posts can be seen just above.

You have clearly misunderstood something. Why on Earth would I say ‘I’ve never said children would be discriminated against’ on a thread where I’ve said that very thing 2-3 times

@bumbleymummy

You have clearly misunderstood something. Why on Earth would I say ‘I’ve never said children would be discriminated against’ on a thread where I’ve said that very thing 2-3 times

I had no idea, hence why I questioned it as below.

salted: you keep bringing it up amongst your other arguments against vaccinating non-vulnerable children, hence why it is easy to assume you think it's a reason not offer it. Thanks for clarifying otherwise!

bumbley: Except I don’t

salted: yes you do - here are some recent examples of you saying children will be discriminated against.

“ you keep bringing it up amongst your other arguments against vaccinating non-vulnerable children ”

Can you actually not see the difference between this^ and ‘children being discriminated against’ ?

@bumbleymummy

“ you keep bringing it up amongst your other arguments against vaccinating non-vulnerable children ”

Can you actually not see the difference between this^ and ‘children being discriminated against’ ?

You sneer and try and imply other posters are stupid, but you can't see how you've got this wrong? Read the posts!

I clearly said, you kept bringing it up, which is why I thought it was another of your arguments, thank you for clarifying this isn't the case.

You then said you didn't keep bringing it (ie, children being discriminating against) up!

How on earth are you interpreting this so incorrectly?

salted: you keep bringing it up amongst your other arguments against vaccinating non-vulnerable children, hence why it is easy to assume you think it's a reason not offer it. Thanks for clarifying otherwise!

bumbley: Except I don’t

salted: yes you do - here are some recent examples of you saying children will be discriminated against.

A lot of people saying they won't "let" their children have it. If they are Gillick competent they can have it with or without your permission