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Israel's worrying 4th wave

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onlychildhamster · 18/08/2021 12:04

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Since late last year, Israel has been a laboratory for the world. After winning early access to BioNTech/Pfizer jab supplies in exchange for sharing data on its effects, Israel was the first country to celebrate fully reopening its entire economy after double-jabbing 70 per cent of its population by early April. Now, one of the world’s most-vaccinated nations is among the first to experience an alarming fourth wave of infections — and hospitalisations — and is rushing to give booster shots. The rest of the world should take notice.

New infections in Israel have surged to the highest in six months, with signs that protection against severe disease has fallen significantly for elderly people vaccinated early this year. The data has caveats, but the trend is clear: six to eight months after second jabs, immunity starts to wane. Most recently, the health ministry found that for over-65s who received a second shot in January, protection against severe illness from the now-dominant Delta variant had fallen as low as 55 per cent, though some analysts question this

Since late last year, Israel has been a laboratory for the world. After winning early access to BioNTech/Pfizer jab supplies in exchange for sharing data on its effects, Israel was the first country to celebrate fully reopening its entire economy after double-jabbing 70 per cent of its population by early April. Now, one of the world’s most-vaccinated nations is among the first to experience an alarming fourth wave of infections — and hospitalisations — and is rushing to give booster shots. The rest of the world should take notice.

New infections in Israel have surged to the highest in six months, with signs that protection against severe disease has fallen significantly for elderly people vaccinated early this year. The data has caveats, but the trend is clear: six to eight months after second jabs, immunity starts to wane. Most recently, the health ministry found that for over-65s who received a second shot in January, protection against severe illness from the now-dominant Delta variant had fallen as low as 55 per cent, though some analysts question this figure.

The government also estimated recently that the vaccine’s effectiveness in stopping new infections among everyone who received second jabs in January had dropped sharply. It remained 82 per cent effective, however, in preventing severe illness, and 86 per cent effective in stopping hospitalisations.

While the unjabbed remain five to six times as likely to end up seriously ill, 90 per cent of Israel’s new infections are among relatively highly-vaccinated over-50s. Health officials have warned that, at current rates, at least 5,000 people would need hospital beds by early September, half with severe medical needs — twice as many as Israel is equipped to handle. Israel has started offering over-60s, and soon over-50s, a third shot. If this proves ineffective, the government has warned that a new lockdown may be unavoidable.

Israel’s case may reflect a particular combination of factors, and may not be exactly replicated elsewhere. It used almost exclusively Pfizer’s mRNA vaccine, with three-week intervals between jabs. Immunity from the Oxford/AstraZeneca or Moderna jabs may prove longer-lasting. Several countries, like the UK, extended the gap between doses to 12 weeks — so second jabs were received later. Not all followed a strict policy of inoculating the eldest first.

But Israel’s experience still has implications. Until more is known about the durability of protection from different jabs, it suggests even highly-vaccinated countries should retain some preventive measures, such as mask-wearing in public places.

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onlychildhamster · 18/08/2021 12:05

We need booster shots asap!

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onlychildhamster · 18/08/2021 12:19

I am particularly worried that this might mean another lockdown even as a highly vaxed country since i dont think we started administering booster shots in time for winter. An increase in cases + winter flu could tip the balance.

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onlychildhamster · 18/08/2021 12:30

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For Israelis, the booster shots are a reminder that they are on the frontier of Covid-19 vaccinations. They celebrated when they were the first to get jabbed, cheering Pfizer as lockdowns ended in March.

Now, they are the first to experience the limits of the vaccine and the first to accept a long-whispered inevitability — regular booster shots to stay protected.

At my neighbourhood grocery store, a giant sign now hangs outside, reminding shoppers to wear a mask. The friendly grandma who struggled to rustle up some masks for me not two months ago now sells them in packs of a hundred.

If there’s a lesson to be learnt from Israel today, it is this: corona, in fact, is not over. This summer was just an intermission. Next comes winter.

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HSHorror · 18/08/2021 12:30

The question will be how long vaxs work in a situation where covid is high in the community. Ie where people have high non vax immunity.
Also think examination of who the vax isnt stopping you getting ill.
AZ is only about 60% effective against getting symptoms. But might it last longer.
If there are serious vax side effects how often will elderly end up having vax.

NannyAndJohn · 18/08/2021 12:33

Yep, anyone with half a brain knew this was coming.

And we'll be going in to it with over 30000 cases a day.

justasking111 · 18/08/2021 12:35

Well in Wales we're advertising for vaccinators for the boosters this autumn winter

Twizbe · 18/08/2021 12:35

Doom and gloom, back in your bunkers everyone.

NannyAndJohn · 18/08/2021 12:37

@Twizbe

Doom and gloom, back in your bunkers everyone.
So you'd rather no one spoke about it and we go into Winter with sky high cases, waning immunity, and no plans for boosters?
onlychildhamster · 18/08/2021 12:39

@justasking111 thats great for Wales, for England, they seem to be planning it. But can they get all those jabs in the arms of over 50s by winter? I don't know.

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Getyourarseofffthequattro · 18/08/2021 12:40

but there is plans for boosters isnt there?

Getyourarseofffthequattro · 18/08/2021 12:41

[quote onlychildhamster]@justasking111 thats great for Wales, for England, they seem to be planning it. But can they get all those jabs in the arms of over 50s by winter? I don't know.[/quote]
I am gonna go with yes, they've been very efficient so far. No reason why they cannot continue to be. I feel like you want it to go wrong?

HairyFloppins · 18/08/2021 12:42

I thought there was a booster plan in place?. My GP put this on FB the other week.

In September we will be offering our patients a Covid booster vaccine alongside the flu vaccine
The JCVI's advice is to offer a third Covid jab (and a flu jab) to the following people from September 2021:
adults aged 16 and over who are immunosuppressed or clinically extremely vulnerable
residents in care homes for older adults
all adults aged 70 and over
frontline health and social care workers
After those groups, it will be:
all adults aged 50 and over
adults aged 16-49 who are in a flu or Covid-19 at-risk group
those living in the same house as people who are immunosuppressed

Twizbe · 18/08/2021 12:42

When I went for my second jab they told me they'd be a booster later in the year. The people who need to plan it and organise it are doing just that.

All I need to do is wait to be called for it, same as with my flu jab.

Personally I'm not giving head space to something I can't control.

I've had covid at least twice and had both jabs. So far I'm still standing.

NannyAndJohn · 18/08/2021 12:42

@Getyourarseofffthequattro

but there is plans for boosters isnt there?
There wouldn't be if @Twizbe had things her way.

We'd be keeping our heads in the sand and pretending that everything's ok.

Twizbe · 18/08/2021 12:43

Where did I say we shouldn't have a booster?

HelgaDownUnder · 18/08/2021 12:43

@Twizbe

Doom and gloom, back in your bunkers everyone.
Feel free to cover your ears and about hmmm-hmmm I can't hear you.

Because, unless the other vaccines follow a different pattern, this means herd immunity is, for now, a pipe dream and we are back to square one.

Thanks for the link and the update, Onlychild.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 18/08/2021 12:46

Thing is we need to fund and support vaccination for countries like Africa and India - unless we do the virus will continue to spread and mutate. And we also need to do this (of course) for the good of people in those countries as a stand-alone imperative.

Getyourarseofffthequattro · 18/08/2021 12:47

@NannyAndJohn bit of a wild assumption there!

kittykarate · 18/08/2021 12:49

thats great for Wales, for England, they seem to be planning it. But can they get all those jabs in the arms of over 50s by winter? I don't know.

If the booster jab can be delivered alongside the routine flu jab (as the JCVI paperwork implies) then they have already proved the ability to get the jab into over 60s and those that are vulnerable to flu (but there is probably a lot of cross over with the CV/CEV for covid ). Ok so the over 50s adds millions and maybe more people will take up the booster than normally bother for their flu jab, but I do think it's possible.
Without social distancing being required it becomes much simpler for places to distribute jabs using the normal infrastructure. For example, last year due to social distancing my local surgery couldn't do their normal flu jab clinics, they had to group together with another surgery to use their larger facilities.

onlychildhamster · 18/08/2021 12:51

@Getyourarseofffthequattro I dunno, Israel has started the boosters and are now mulling lockdowns... We haven't even started. They are also efficient as far as giving out vaccinations goes..

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Getyourarseofffthequattro · 18/08/2021 12:53

[quote onlychildhamster]@Getyourarseofffthequattro I dunno, Israel has started the boosters and are now mulling lockdowns... We haven't even started. They are also efficient as far as giving out vaccinations goes..[/quote]
Them mulling lockdowns means nothing really does it?

If the NHS can cope, and we can continue rolling out vaccines (and we have no reason to believe we cant) then why would we need a lockdown?

We aren't Israel.

cantkeepawayforever · 18/08/2021 12:57

Dh and I - both over 50, both double jabbed - had texts from GP telling us to expect invitations for flu jab andCovid booster (to be done simultaneously) over the next 2 months.

titchy · 18/08/2021 12:57

NannyandJohn 17 minutes ago:
and no plans for boosters?

Totally ignoring subsequent posts outlining the plans for boosters 🤣

onlychildhamster · 18/08/2021 12:58

@Getyourarseofffthequattro exactly we aren't Israel. Israel actually has an excellent public healthcare system, but even they are in danger of being overwhelmed.

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