People refusing the vaccine why do defensive?

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I know a few people refusing the vaccine.

Whenever it comes up in conversation they her VERY argumentative, even though I haven't started any arguments and am actually quite respectful of peoples choice to not take it.

My question is, why are those not taking the vaccine getting so weird about it? If you're going to decide not to take it you should own your decisions.

Also people not taking it appear very entitled - want their cake and eat it. Still want to go nightclubs but still don't want the vaccine.

Can't have it both ways, you're also not being forced. I have no idea why people not taking the vaccine think this?

Anyway just a rant based on a recent disagreement with a family member.

Feel free to share your experience with me!

Chorizotapas- I respect your right to have whatever medical treatment you like. Not my business!

I'm not easily offended. Just enjoyed the humour. Your own post saying "what's up, not your cock?" was equally funny and much more personally aimed/offensive, although it seems to have stayed up (excuse the pun).

Cockwombles hahaha

Oh dear... Twitter really would be more fun for you

Oh, hold the phone (no, no, not a 5G one don't worry) you've converted me with your vitriol!

is that you're goal?

@goldenrachita

Chorizotapas- I respect your right to have whatever medical treatment you like. Not my business!

I'm not easily offended. Just enjoyed the humour. Your own post saying "what's up, not your cock?" was equally funny and much more personally aimed/offensive, although it seems to have stayed up (excuse the pun).

It was a bit low and judgemental of me to assume that big gaz had warm, working anatomy... I should respect that he may identify as a lizard 🦎 and may indeed have cold blood

Sorry gaz

The way people like you big gaz bully women that use this site for feeling ashamed at body autonomy for accepting (or indeed not accepting) the jibby jab is fucking disgusting. You probably (hopefully) won't be here after tonight with the mumsnet admins having suffered you for far too long but for anyone who chooses to have control over their own body, it's their decision and fuck all to do with YOU big gaz or any of the other vitriol spewing trolls on here... not all women are represented in this sometimes daft, but overall interesting place so stick to your guns and don't allow trolls (like you big gaz) on here make you feel bad.

I edited your post big gaz, please check for corrections in future

I obviously don't know any of these people, but I have two general bits of advice:

1. If you think you're asking something in a neutral manner, but get an overly defensive response every single time you ask it, you should probably reexamine the tone, phrasing, and context in which you ask the question. This is true whether you're asking about vaccines or any other subject.

2. The ones who aren't interested in arguing about it are less likely to get sucked into conversations about it at all, and are more likely to change the topic before you got to the point of asking them. But if you were to ask someone, and they simply answered "No," would you really not ask any follow-up questions? That's how most arguments start, in my experience.

*Also people not taking it appear very entitled - want their cake and eat it. Still want to go nightclubs but still don't want the vaccine.

Can't have it both ways, you're also not being forced. I have no idea why people not taking the vaccine think this?*

Also, this just doesn't make sense. Of course they can have it both ways. Allowing unvaccinated people into nightclubs isn't a violation of the laws of physics. It's simply a rule that they disagree with. Depending on how you look at it, they're either being forced to get the vaccine or forced to stop going to nightclubs. Since the status quo for most of these people's lives was to allow them to do both, of course they're going to resent being forced to do one or the other.

In answer to OP....

There's the build up of questions from many people....maybe OP has been the straw who broke the camel's back a few times.

I think the virtue signalling on social media plays its part too. When you spend the day reading people you know and like under usual circumstances post repeatedly about "doing my moral duty" or " double vaxxed for the common good" it can feel like indirect moralising aimed at you when you are someone who is firmly decided on not having a Covid jab. I think there are a lot of quiet "refusers" (I hate that term but when something is pushed this much as the norm it does feel like refusal to stand up to it), and these "refusers" -I'm one- sit quietly resisting the desire to scribble away what they really think, because it's a friend, they like the friend, don't want to upset the friend or open themselves up to a barrage of abuse. But then the real life questioning comes and the frustration is released.

I'm double vaccinated but believe in bodily autonomy & think the vaccine passport thing is disgusting & so wrong.

I believe in bodily autonomy. I also believe that if someone is a risk for public health measures can be taken.
Nobody is going to force the vaccine in someone else. That's bodily autonomy.
Vaccines have always been required to visit certain countries and covid passports are not different

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57958358

It is standard practice for vaccines to be monitored after they have been rolled out to the public:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2AC2G3

Lots of information and links there, for anyone wanting to find out more.

By restricting people who haven’t had the vaccine that they can’t do certain things it’s basically forcing people to be vaccinated. I think everyone is aware that they should be vaccinated they shouldn’t be forced.
Ok we know the vaccine is safe now but there are no studies about possible future problems.

@Totallydefeated

'Choices have consequences' - yes, the consequence for not having the vaccine is to run a higher risk of catching Covid and becoming seriously ill or possibly dying with it.

It's not to be ostracised from society or denied medical care despite being required to pay the same tax and NI as everyone else.

Other people have the same right to bodily autonomy as you do, OP.

They also have a right to medical confidentiality.

You have no right to sticky-beak or moralise about other peoples' vaccination status.

I am not the OP. I never said people who refuse to get the vaccine should be denied medical care.

I am saying that people who don't get vaccinated don't get to complain about going into nightclubs or traveling. Or, I guess, complain as much as you want. It won't help you.

We all suffer from the restrictrictions because there are too many selfish people around who don't care to contribute to herd immunity, but still want all the benefits of the rest of getting the vaccine.

Look. People who don't get the vaccine, mostly make that decision in fear . They are scared of the potential effects of the vaccine (cue posters saying they are refusing in principle of course ). I can almost guarantee if Covid killed 20%+ of people it infected and killed more younger people , there would be many fewer vaccine refusers ( though there would still be some )

At the same time people who take the vaccine do so out of fear too, either of what the virus could to to them or to society or to people they love.

Both fears are rational in that they have some basis in fact. However the second group don't understand risk very well ( though for this particular illness I make an exception to that for young people say under 45 who refuse the vaccine WHEN INFECTIONS LEVELS ARE LOW)

Infection levels at the moment are such that it is reaching the point where the AZ vaccine ( let alone the Pfizer and Moderna ones) is safer for young people than non vaccimation but I doubt many will be convinced by that.

I on the other hand am completely unconvinced by the the ' personal choice ' argument In the context of a.pandemic unless the risk to that individual of their personal choice is a real risk and not an imagined one

This is bound to lead to strong feelings and anger at each other on both sides.