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Is anyone NOT getting the vaccine?

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JC2021 · 20/07/2021 19:53

Anyone on here choosing not to receive the covid-19 vaccine?

I am undecided, but resistant.

My reasons; you can still become infected and spread the virus. How sick you might become would depend on your immunity, your age/health.

So, in my mind the only good the vaccine 'may' do (no guarantees) is prevent you getting very ill. Although, even this is still not guaranteed.

So the vaccine may reduce the change of you becoming really ill.

Fully vaccinated people can still spread the virus unknowingly to others, the same as unvaccinated.

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TableFlowerss · 20/07/2021 23:54

Up to you but expect to be excluded from many things in the coming weeks.

Those that have been vaccinated have done their bit for society and will be rewards with a ‘freedom pass’. Those that haven’t, without good reason won’t be allowed in places.

Bet my house on it that’s what happens.

NatalieWilson1980 · 20/07/2021 23:57

Main reasons as I said in another thread for not taking it

  1. covid doesnt worry me
  2. I dont want " boosters " for years on end"
  3. vaccines are a personal choice and the push to get it is quite sinister
  4. The vulnerable can take the vaccine - average age from covid death is 83 so expecting healthy younger people to jab themselves every few months with small but quantifiable risks each time is utterly ridiculous to me
WeatheringStorms22 · 21/07/2021 00:02

Those that have been vaccinated have done their bit for society and will be rewards with a ‘freedom pass’. Those that haven’t, without good reason won’t be allowed in places. Bet my house on it that’s what happens.

Me too. At first. But this isn't sustainable for lots of businesses - having to check the medical history of every single person through the door? Every time?

Nahhhh. They won't do it, it will fade away and after initial hype they just...won't.

uktrippin · 21/07/2021 00:07

"There should be a thread just for the jabbed where they can pour their hearts out to each other and dicuss their anxieties and concerns."

Who is anxious? I know I'm not, I'm delighted.

Lalliella · 21/07/2021 00:07

People can choose not to have the vaccine. But then they should also choose to never leave their house. Because they are putting vulnerable and immuno-compromised people at the risk of death. And it’s not fair. Those people have suffered enough.

We live in a society. We should pay heed to the needs of others in our society, not just our own.

Stop believing in anti-vax rubbish on the internet and just get jabbed.

TableFlowerss · 21/07/2021 00:09

@WeatheringStorms22

Those that have been vaccinated have done their bit for society and will be rewards with a ‘freedom pass’. Those that haven’t, without good reason won’t be allowed in places. Bet my house on it that’s what happens.

Me too. At first. But this isn't sustainable for lots of businesses - having to check the medical history of every single person through the door? Every time?

Nahhhh. They won't do it, it will fade away and after initial hype they just...won't.

I think it’ll be just like when you have to check in to places now with your phone etc…

It’ll be as simple as that and they’ll have a database with your name etc on and it will be green if vaccine research if not when you click on.

If it comes to it then I absolutely think they will do this. They’re in a tricky situation as they’ll want to offer some more protection to the vulnerable but it’s not fair to expect those vaccinated population to lose out as they may decide next year ‘Fuck it - we got the jab and we’re still restricted etc..’ and that would be worse than upsetting a few that decided they just didn’t want the jab.

It’s obviously their choice but there’ll be definitely be sanctions on what they can do if it comes to it, rather than sanctioning everyone.

Lalliella · 21/07/2021 00:09

@NatalieWilson1980

Main reasons as I said in another thread for not taking it
  1. covid doesnt worry me
  2. I dont want " boosters " for years on end"
  3. vaccines are a personal choice and the push to get it is quite sinister
  4. The vulnerable can take the vaccine - average age from covid death is 83 so expecting healthy younger people to jab themselves every few months with small but quantifiable risks each time is utterly ridiculous to me
@NatalieWilson1980 did you vote for Brexit?
NameChange74567 · 21/07/2021 00:09

I'm not getting it, my mum and gran have a hereditary blood disorder that causes clots and strokes. After having my last DC and requesting the pill from my GP, I was told my risk of blood clots was too high so couldn't be prescribed it. Also I've had covid and survived, although it was brutal.

TableFlowerss · 21/07/2021 00:10

I mean it will flash green if you’re vaccinated and red if you’re not

🤣🤣

MrsTerryPratchett · 21/07/2021 00:55

@Tiari

There should be a thread just for the jabbed where they can pour their hearts out to each other and dicuss their anxieties and concerns.

This would be preferable to them always jumping onto threads for the unjabbed (OP question was "Is anyone NOT getting the vaccine) and spouting on about the uneducated, selfish, etc etc etc.

I know you think you're utterly hilarious and clever saying this over and over. But stop talking shite. What I'm anxious about is escape mutant variants which cannot be vaccinated against evolving because a bunch of muppets believed shite from the internet and didn't get jabbed.

By all means people with allergies or preexisting conditions should seek advice and think about what they want. People,with needle phobia and anxiety should be supported. But your reckons aren't the same as medical advice.

And you repeating the bollocks that the vaccinated are anxious is like a kid at school repeating a joke because they're convinced it's funny and everyone will eventually laugh. It's not funny or clever.

Tiari · 21/07/2021 01:02

@uktrippin
Who is anxious? I know I'm not, I'm delighted.

And yet you're on this thread which is specifically for posters who are NOT getting the jab.

Just come on to convince yourself that you're not anxious, in fact delighted.
Oh, ok then.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 21/07/2021 01:05

Tiari you have described vaccinated people as anxious while unvaccinated people are cautious. This is really quite similar states but the negative spin is on the vaccinated. As you really don’t like the negativity towards unvaccinated people isn’t that a bit hypocritical?

You can have your passive aggressive Flowers back too.

Tiari · 21/07/2021 01:11

MrsTerryPratchett

And yet you continue to come on a thread which wasn't meant for you, to continue making insulting comments to posters who have made a well thought out, conscious decision.
Why is that?

MrsTerryPratchett · 21/07/2021 03:36

@Tiari

MrsTerryPratchett

And yet you continue to come on a thread which wasn't meant for you, to continue making insulting comments to posters who have made a well thought out, conscious decision.
Why is that?

You read my post, right?
berrylands · 21/07/2021 04:03

@loulouljh

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You have no idea what you are talking about. This vaccine is no gene therapy, so nothing precise about your comment. There is currently a pandemic, in case you are not following the news, and the only way out of it is group immunity. We can do it two ways. Letting the virus kill more millions of people, like previous pandemics, or taking advantage of the scientific advances we have now. You are choosing the first way, so no, it's not a personal decision that need to be respected. I can't force the vaccine on anyone, but it's my personal right to tell vaxxers they are despicable, they are killing people with their ignorant arrogance, and they should be made accountable for it.
Emmmie · 21/07/2021 04:41

It is absolutely not your personal right to insult anyone! Do get off your high horse!

Do you go around telling other people off if you don't agree with their lifestyle choices? You sound like a member of some crazy cult! You are vaccinated, good for you! It's not like you can catch or transmit covid....ohhh wait...

Designingheaven · 21/07/2021 04:57

Ive had Covid, confirmed case. I’m holding off on being vaccinated because quite frankly so many people I know have been unwell with the side effects and in my job I can’t take any time off right now, if I did have to then the repercussions would be a detriment of the business. I’m not ruling it out and I’m not anti vaccine. Also the new ‘rules’ about clubs not allowing people in etc. Will not happen. Who will police it. Same people who policed the wearing of masked in venues up until Sunday.. the staff. Hospitality will have to be seen to be abiding but really.. 0 support or back up. They’re tired and in debt. I don’t like talking about the jab and I really don’t want to upset people but for me, I’m holding off.

berrylands · 21/07/2021 05:03

@Emmmie

It is absolutely not your personal right to insult anyone! Do get off your high horse!

Do you go around telling other people off if you don't agree with their lifestyle choices? You sound like a member of some crazy cult! You are vaccinated, good for you! It's not like you can catch or transmit covid....ohhh wait...

I'm not insulting anyone. I'm giving my opinion on people that don't want to understand that their decisions affect others. They are free to make the decision of not getting vaccinated, even if it will kill other people. But I am free to tell them what I think of their selfishness. I think everyone should be free to do what they want with their bodies, and I will keep my opinions for myself as long as they don't affect others, which is not the case here. I am vaccinated, and because of that I'm less likely to accidentally spread a virus that has killed millions of people and will kill many more. If that's what you call a high horse, well, I call it respect for other people. Crazy cult indeed...
FightingtheFoo · 21/07/2021 05:17

@Fleetw00d

I'm breastfeeding so not getting it yet as I'm concerned about the potential for long term side effects to my baby which they simply don't know because it hasn't been long enough. Breastfeeding women were originally advised not to have it and then they changed tack but surely they would have known their reasons initially so that sparks concerns for me. Also some women (small percentage but still worrying, about 7%) reported issues with breastmilk production and baby feeling poorly. I don't know of any other jab that has that effect on breastfeeding mums. Also women have reported changes to their menstrual cycle which again I've not heard about from other jabs.

So all of that is too much of a risk to get it while breastfeeding. However I most likely will get it once I've finished mainly because of all of these restrictions on non vaxxed people but even so I will continue to socially distance, wear a mask and take lateral flow tests twice a week as tbh I think this is a more reliable way to stop it spreading as like you said vaxxed people can still transmit it.

This is the approach with all medicine being initially not recommended to pregnant women and breastfeeding mothers - even where they are 100% sure there is no effect on the bab.

This is because ethically you cannot do medical trials on pregnant women and babies and without medical trials you can't recommend medicine to them. It's a catch 22.

It would be the same even if they discovered paracetamol today.

It's only after a significant period of time that it's accepted a medicine has no effect on the baby that it becomes accepted to use in pregnancy/while bf (e.g. paracetamol).

The reason they were able to speed up the so-called approval with the COVID vaccine is because of the sheer number of people who have had it.

Emmmie · 21/07/2021 05:29

Berylands... so do you think my decision not to get vaccinated (yet) has been taken lightly?! If you think that, you are wrong. The thing is, if I get vaccinated and suffer serious side effects/die, will some random person out there I was trying to protect come and take care of my family? Will they provide for them and will they love and raise my infant daughter? I don't think so! No one will. I have to do what I think is right for me. I am not delaying/refusing the vaccine out of spite or to hurt anyone. I just have concerns for myself, that is all.
Since you can still spread the virus, maybe you will be the one killing someone else.

Flowerlane · 21/07/2021 05:36

I am not getting the vaccine at this stage.
Worked all the way through the pandemic in contact with many people and haven’t contracted covid. Majority of people locally who are ill with covid have been doubled vaxxedHmm

Oysterbabe · 21/07/2021 05:43

@Emmmie

Berylands... so do you think my decision not to get vaccinated (yet) has been taken lightly?! If you think that, you are wrong. The thing is, if I get vaccinated and suffer serious side effects/die, will some random person out there I was trying to protect come and take care of my family? Will they provide for them and will they love and raise my infant daughter? I don't think so! No one will. I have to do what I think is right for me. I am not delaying/refusing the vaccine out of spite or to hurt anyone. I just have concerns for myself, that is all. Since you can still spread the virus, maybe you will be the one killing someone else.
And if you die from COVID, which is much more likely? Staying alive for your family is a reason to have the vaccine not refuse it.
berrylands · 21/07/2021 05:43

@Emmmie

Berylands... so do you think my decision not to get vaccinated (yet) has been taken lightly?! If you think that, you are wrong. The thing is, if I get vaccinated and suffer serious side effects/die, will some random person out there I was trying to protect come and take care of my family? Will they provide for them and will they love and raise my infant daughter? I don't think so! No one will. I have to do what I think is right for me. I am not delaying/refusing the vaccine out of spite or to hurt anyone. I just have concerns for myself, that is all. Since you can still spread the virus, maybe you will be the one killing someone else.
Emmie, You are free to do what you think is right. But, you are more likely to die of covid than of side effects of the vaccine. Who will take care of your family if you die of covid? I can still spread the virus and kill someone else. But by being vaccinated I've done my best to reduce that risk. So maybe someone won't die and leave their family without protection thanks to the fact I've done my best to end this pandemic.
Tiari · 21/07/2021 05:45

No anxiety or defensiveness from jabbed posters on this thread then?
No, not much!!

Have you heard yourself berrylands?

CeeceeBloomingdale · 21/07/2021 05:47

I don't know anyone who has been badly affected by a covid vaccine other than feeling a bit off for a few days at worse (myself included, I was unwell after but nothing life changing).

I do know people (including a man in his early 40s) which have been permanently disabled with life changing consequences of having covid.

For me it's a no brainer but I don't feel the need to preach to others. I have however notice anti-vaxers preaching and belittling at every opportunity and they are shouting louder and louder as their number dwindle. If you hang out on twitter or the Daily Fail comments section you may feel safety in numbers. In reality very few people will choose not to be vaccinated and I haven't yet read any logical or good reason not to be by any of them.