Is anyone NOT getting the vaccine?

[JC2021]

Anyone on here choosing not to receive the covid-19 vaccine?

I am undecided, but resistant.

My reasons; you can still become infected and spread the virus. How sick you might become would depend on your immunity, your age/health.

So, in my mind the only good the vaccine 'may' do (no guarantees) is prevent you getting very ill. Although, even this is still not guaranteed.

So the vaccine may reduce the change of you becoming really ill.

Fully vaccinated people can still spread the virus unknowingly to others, the same as unvaccinated.

Views?

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

She thinks we're all secretly petrified of what we've done to ourselves. Odd. I'm absolutely delighted to be double vaxxed and couldn't be happier that my entire family will soon be in the same position. We're incredibly lucky.

Me too! I cried with joy when I got the vaccine. Genuinely find it quite funny that she thinks we're anxious about the jab. The antics of antivaxxers worry me, yes, but not the jab!

@Innocenta thank you for that, i will definitely be speaking to my dr mostly for reassurance. I think i will end up getting the vaccine to be honest, i just need to read up and get the reassurance first. I was the first year of girls to get the hpv vaccine so im not against it as a new vaccine per se.

why the flowers @Tiari**
Because jabbed people have my sympathy. Most seem so defensive and anxious. It must be a worry having been injected with something that doesn't finish trials until 2023.

@ShaneTheThird you're welcome! I think sometimes people misunderstand that there are those like you with genuine questions who need to check it out with a doctor, where a doctor might suggest a particular choice of vaccine, etc. That is not the same as spreading scary conspiracies like some people! There's nothing wrong with wanting to find out about your personal situation.

Health decisions need to be taken individually. But if you choose to NOT be vaccinated, you will find your access to travel , night clubs and other things constrained.

Do I have a problem with that? No.

The evidence is that vaccines save lives.

The evidence is the vaccine is overwhelmingly safe

Those statements are not invalidated by the tiny number of people who experience serious side effects.

@Itsprobablynotcominghome

Indeed.

@Dancingontheceiling1 love this!!

The thing that really frustrates me now is the availability of the vaccine. It should be just administered at certain sites on certain days, to avoid wasting doses. The second I could book I did. I told my work. They gave me two afternoons off to have them. (I made up the time, checked emails etc anyway).

There are plenty of people in the rest of the world that will gladly take our mega supply. Time to share, time to let the hesitant make an effort.

Safe?! The vaccine may be safe for majority of people but it is not safe for everyone. I accept "mostly safe" but to say it is "Safe" implies a safety of 100%. This is simply not true. The fact is, there are plenty of people who have suffered badly/died after getting the covid jab, and this should not be swept under a rug. Someone earlier mentioned that a relative of theirs had suffered a stroke after being injected and this is a huge deal. Sounds like a huge deal to me.

@Tiari

why the flowers @Tiari** Because jabbed people have my sympathy. Most seem so defensive and anxious. It must be a worry having been injected with something that doesn't finish trials until 2023.

🤣🤣

People are silly

@innocenta as stated in pp I am double vaccinated I just respect everyone's choice to make their own decision either way, and the only people I look down on are those who force their views on others and that includes those who call the unvaccinated selfish and those who call the vaccinated sheeple . These vaccines have brought out the very worst in people its vile behaviour to be honest.

@Tiari

AllThatFancyPaintsAsFair and Innocenta

See what I mean? You are proving my point, defensive and so obviously anxious.

You seriously couldn't be more wrong, I've had both jabs and haven't given it a second thought since then

You might want to look up the definition of defensive, I think you might be misunderstanding what it means or mixing me up with another poster

I literally said that if the OP doesn't want the vaccine she shouldn't have it

OK her reasons don't hold water but again that's her choice

@Tiari

why the flowers @Tiari** Because jabbed people have my sympathy. Most seem so defensive and anxious. It must be a worry having been injected with something that doesn't finish trials until 2023.

Long term follow up is usual for any new medication or vaccine though. A 10 year follow up of the HPV jab was just published but people don't tend to reference that as a source of concern?

I think people tend to get frustrated with misinformation being spread about the vaccine (i.e., it being "gene therapy" or "experimental"). Side effects are rare and would emerge in the short term so aren't really a source of anxiety- you're not going to suddenly become unwell 6 months post jab.

@Innocenta so it’s selfish for a pregnant woman to choose not to have the vaccine that is currently under trial, because she is scared of what it could do long term? When there is not enough science and data to eliminate her fears? She’s selfish?
She should just go ahead and do what everyone else is doing, because she gets abuse hurled at her on online forums for not agreeing with others. She’s selfish and uneducated.
There are so many people that fit into that category. Breastfeeding women, people with epilepsy and other health conditions, people with fertility issues, especially having ivf…that don’t want to be vaccinated at least for now because of health worries. That to me doesn’t sound selfish, it sounds cautious.

And quite frankly this government and sometimes the medical world have been fucking hopeless.
I was told to take the pill from age 13, to stop acne and painful periods. I then switched to the implant which made me bleed everyday, instead of removing it they put me back on the pill, on top of it and I believed the drs knew what they were doing. Now I’m suffering sub fertility as my hormones are now fucked. So trust is out the window!

@Emmmie

Safe?! The vaccine may be safe for majority of people but it is not safe for everyone. I accept "mostly safe" but to say it is "Safe" implies a safety of 100%. This is simply not true. The fact is, there are plenty of people who have suffered badly/died after getting the covid jab, and this should not be swept under a rug. Someone earlier mentioned that a relative of theirs had suffered a stroke after being injected and this is a huge deal. Sounds like a huge deal to me.

of course it's a huge deal, that's why side effects are monitored and investigated

but it remains that for the vast majority of people having the vaccine is associated with a lower risk of adverse effects than coronavirus infection

[quote Mojitoqueen]@Innocenta so it’s selfish for a pregnant woman to choose not to have the vaccine that is currently under trial, because she is scared of what it could do long term? When there is not enough science and data to eliminate her fears? She’s selfish?
She should just go ahead and do what everyone else is doing, because she gets abuse hurled at her on online forums for not agreeing with others. She’s selfish and uneducated.
There are so many people that fit into that category. Breastfeeding women, people with epilepsy and other health conditions, people with fertility issues, especially having ivf…that don’t want to be vaccinated at least for now because of health worries. That to me doesn’t sound selfish, it sounds cautious.

And quite frankly this government and sometimes the medical world have been fucking hopeless.
I was told to take the pill from age 13, to stop acne and painful periods. I then switched to the implant which made me bleed everyday, instead of removing it they put me back on the pill, on top of it and I believed the drs knew what they were doing. Now I’m suffering sub fertility as my hormones are now fucked. So trust is out the window![/quote]
Loads of women took the pill early for acne and painful periods
I was one of them
Never had any fertility issues and four kids to prove it.
I'm sorry you've had issues but very unlikely it was the pill that caused them

I’ve had one, not taking the second.

@Mojitoqueen 'people with ... other health conditions'
I'm literally CEV. I'm in this thread telling anyone with a genuine concern to talk to their doctor (not to go by what I say!).

@Emmmie
Nothing in life is 100% safe.
Every person harmed by a vaccine is a tragedy.

The deaths of over 128,000 people from COVID is also a tragedy.
Without the vaccine, deaths would be far far higher.

@Bryonyshcmyony I’m really not getting into it or starting another topic about kids as young as 13 on the pill but I do know it has contributed massively. I’ve had investigations done so I’m not making it up.

I had covid and developed clots after it, so did a relative of mine, he had a pulmonary embolism after covid. I know a lot more people who have had the vaccine than the infection and not one has developed clots. If I were vulnerable to clotting or any vascular issues I would be more concerned about the virus than the vaccine. My two cents.

That to me doesn't sound selfish, it sounds cautious

Exactly. Why are the jabbed posters so against caution anyhow?

@Wellbythebloodyhell I'm glad for you that you're double jabbed!

It's up to you if you want to take the 'I respect all views' stance. I certainly can't stop you! But doesn't that extend, logically, to respecting my view, i.e. that those of us who accept the vast weight of the scientific evidence and the overwhelming social and moral duty to be vaccinated - are free to criticise those acting purely on superstition? Because that is my view. So if you respect all views...

(I am not wholesale criticising people with actual unresolved questions who just need some support and input from their doctors.)

@Tiari I'm against dying very young.

@loulouljh

I am not having it. All this co-ercion is making me even more sure that my decision is the right one. No come back if it all goes wrong, masses of people with life changing injuries as a result. the vaxxed getting more ill than the unvaxxed. Will be endless boosters etc being pumped into your body. Plenty of reasons to not have it.

Interesting writing style from our ‘extremely intelligent barrister.’ Co-ercion? I thought precise language was a necessary skill for barristers?