Is anyone NOT getting the vaccine?

[JC2021]

Anyone on here choosing not to receive the covid-19 vaccine?

I am undecided, but resistant.

My reasons; you can still become infected and spread the virus. How sick you might become would depend on your immunity, your age/health.

So, in my mind the only good the vaccine 'may' do (no guarantees) is prevent you getting very ill. Although, even this is still not guaranteed.

So the vaccine may reduce the change of you becoming really ill.

Fully vaccinated people can still spread the virus unknowingly to others, the same as unvaccinated.

Views?

@mrex

Indeed.

I remember those comments Xeno.

trigeminal neuralgia, someone last year posted they were exempt from wearing a mask due to this and went into great detail about the difficulties they had. Cue loads of people ripping into the poster about them being a grannie killer, well I have it and wear one so suck it up, have you tried x,y and z.
Same for some people with sensory issues people tripping up over themselves to say bollocks, granny killer etc.
Someone who had been viciously raped and whose mouth was covered during the attack, suck it up etc.

Expected completion date of the trials

post.parliament.uk/covid-19-vaccines-november-update-progress-of-clinical-trials/

@Ludovici

Just looking up the symptoms of narcissism. Interesting reading, Goodnight all.

Disagreeing with you doesn't make someone a narcissist. In fact, the degree of rage you feel at being challenged is the rather worrying thing, here.

You seem to have decided that I think I can force people to tell me their reasons for having or not having the jab. As I've already clearly explained to you, that is not my view at all; I have only pointed out that people with straightforward medical exemptions generally like to eliminate any ambiguity about where they stand. This may be tricky to understand, but most people don't actually want to be associated with antivaxxers!

@canigooutyet

I remember those comments Xeno.

trigeminal neuralgia, someone last year posted they were exempt from wearing a mask due to this and went into great detail about the difficulties they had. Cue loads of people ripping into the poster about them being a grannie killer, well I have it and wear one so suck it up, have you tried x,y and z.
Same for some people with sensory issues people tripping up over themselves to say bollocks, granny killer etc.
Someone who had been viciously raped and whose mouth was covered during the attack, suck it up etc.

Here, you are conflating a host of different issues and completely missing the point that medics largely agree some exemptions absolutely are reasonable, but that the public has taken it too far and often refuses to tolerate even mild discomfort.

Obviously anyone who attacks someone with a good reason for exemption is being completely callous. And there's no need to be discourteous even to people who are mistaken in thinking they're exempt.

But as much as you and others want critique to be unacceptable - it isn't.

[quote canigooutyet]Expected completion date of the trials

post.parliament.uk/covid-19-vaccines-november-update-progress-of-clinical-trials/[/quote]
In your own link, you can see the dates vary and that those are full funding dates last November in 2020 plus an extremely clear statement:
"The completion of some clinical trials is expected by the end of 2020."
Since then, we have had trials complete successfully. Look at this; the title couldn't be clearer for you "Regulatory approval of Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine for COVID-19"
www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19

Do you have a link that trials have finished, please?

Please have a look from your link that efficacy and safety hasn’t been confirmed as yet and is due in December 2023. You are giving a wrong info

@Heyhohi

Do you have a link that trials have finished, please?

Once again around we go in the same circle where you're given information that uk later pretend you haven't seen, is this fun for you?

Additional trials for additional groups and adjustments to vaccines for new variants are continuing. The vaccines being given in general use right now have regulatory approval because they had sufficient safety and efficacy data e.g. www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19.
Read the title, it's very clear, REGULATORY APPROVAL.

Comirnaty concentrate for dispersion for injection Conditional Marketing Authorisation
SPECIFIC OBLIGATION TO COMPLETE POST-AUTHORISATION MEASURES FOR THE CONDITIONAL MARKETING AUTHORISATION
This being a conditional marketing authorisation the Marketing Authorisation Holder (MAH) shall complete, within the stated timeframe, the following measures:

From your own link doc 5, stop misinforming people! It’s down to an individual to make an inform decision

@Heyhohi - Efficacy and safety have been proven and are referred to in thousands of reports by MHRA and other regulatory bodies, studies for various groups, news articles confirming the info etc etc etc. Either you genuinely can't read (unlikely), or you're posting with an anti-vax agenda. Either way, I'll report every post where you lie rather than engage further.

Looks like you the one who don’t read a small print

You are a bully, I didn’t lie, I copied from your own link, have a good day

Post authorisation measures are normal for every medication. HPV vaccine for example is within recent times to be online, here is their first year report from 2009: www.gov.uk/drug-safety-update/human-papillomavirus-hpv-immunisation-programme-first-year-safety-review.
Ignorance of the process is fine, but when you've been given the information multiple times and continue deliberate and constant posting to try to inspire fear, that is not fine.

This is the bit that's really disingenuous.

You’re a very kind and charitable person, @Mrex. I think it’s a bit beyond disingenuous.

These people know that the clinical trials for the approved (and yes that includes CMA) vaccines are done, but ‘continued data-gathering, as is totally normal for new drugs’ and ‘further trials on how the vaccines work against new variants or in combination with each other’ doesn’t sound nearly as scary.

But sure, let’s ask which phase of the clinical trials are the Pfizer and AZ vaccines in right now? Which of the primary and secondary endpoints in the trial protocols haven’t been reached?

We are not in a good place right now, and the lies that are being spread across SM about the vaccine are dangerous.

I am really glad that @MNHQ have done a thorough deletion job on this thread, and also there has been sterling work from posters on dismantling the misinformation. I know it is exhausting arguing with these people as I stick my oar in now and again. Thank you all.

This is to the OP. My husband is an intensive care consultant, so knows exactly what’s happening throughout the country. The ITU he works in currently has no Covid patients, they did recently but it was someone unvaccinated who didn’t believe in the vaccine, he got acquainted with a ventilator instead.

Contrast that with the first and second wave where it was like he was off to war each day, and he was to be fair - the difference has been the vaccines. The numbers of patients coming in during the first two waves were really high and each death was an absolute tragedy. Staff have said they’ve never seen anything like it.

Vaccinations have done so much in breaking the link between Covid and hospitalisation, each patient now admitted into ITU for the want of a vaccine is a real waste of life.

I got side effects from my first AZ shot but it was absolutely worth it. As for the clotting worries my husband has said that Covid makes blood incredibly thick and clotted - look at the stats on deaths from clotting post vaccine versus deaths from Covid. One absolutely dwarfs the other.

ITU is no walk in the park, if you can avoid it do so.

@thecatsabsentcojones I'm so glad that this wave isn't being so utterly hellish for your husband. But it must be so dispiriting to be treating the unvaccinated and seeing those patients go through so much for the want of something that could have prevented it, safely and effectively.

@foxandbee

We are not in a good place right now, and the lies that are being spread across SM about the vaccine are dangerous.

I am really glad that @MNHQ have done a thorough deletion job on this thread, and also there has been sterling work from posters on dismantling the misinformation. I know it is exhausting arguing with these people as I stick my oar in now and again. Thank you all.

The anti vax brigade change names, post rubbish, prey on others fears. It's sad

Great post @thecatsabsentcojones. Thank you to Mr Cat & all his colleagues. What a tragedy that people are still dying when it can be prevented so effectively.

@JassyRadlett

This is the bit that's really disingenuous.

You’re a very kind and charitable person, @Mrex. I think it’s a bit beyond disingenuous.

These people know that the clinical trials for the approved (and yes that includes CMA) vaccines are done, but ‘continued data-gathering, as is totally normal for new drugs’ and ‘further trials on how the vaccines work against new variants or in combination with each other’ doesn’t sound nearly as scary.

But sure, let’s ask which phase of the clinical trials are the Pfizer and AZ vaccines in right now? Which of the primary and secondary endpoints in the trial protocols haven’t been reached?

Indeed. Posting using emotional language, experimental and acting as if millions of people haven't been successfully vaccinated is harmful and works up the anxiety in others with MH illness.

They don't want it find but stop spreading half truth and rubbish

@MRex

Post authorisation measures are normal for every medication. HPV vaccine for example is within recent times to be online, here is their first year report from 2009: www.gov.uk/drug-safety-update/human-papillomavirus-hpv-immunisation-programme-first-year-safety-review. Ignorance of the process is fine, but when you've been given the information multiple times and continue deliberate and constant posting to try to inspire fear, that is not fine.

Totally. Why do some appear to get pleasure out of causing unnecessary fear in others? What is the motivation

I'm not having it. Have had covid recently, I've had worse colds. 41, with a 10 month old baby.
The seat belt comparison is farcical. You could compare wearing a seat belt to washing your hands perhaps, but not to jabbing yourself with a vaccine that has never been used before

Every vaccine was new once. People queued up to get the polio vaccine when it was new and as a result polio has almost been eliminated.