Is anyone NOT getting the vaccine?

[JC2021]

Anyone on here choosing not to receive the covid-19 vaccine?

I am undecided, but resistant.

My reasons; you can still become infected and spread the virus. How sick you might become would depend on your immunity, your age/health.

So, in my mind the only good the vaccine 'may' do (no guarantees) is prevent you getting very ill. Although, even this is still not guaranteed.

So the vaccine may reduce the change of you becoming really ill.

Fully vaccinated people can still spread the virus unknowingly to others, the same as unvaccinated.

Views?

I don't blame you @Ludovici for not saying.
Last year it was demands to know why you are exempt from wearing a mask, followed by a multitude of people saying well I wear it even though it makes me struggle to breathe, so can you. (wish I was making that one up). Surgeons have to wear them (yup forgetting about aspiring surgeons are out there who cannot wear a mask so will never fufil their dream)

You mention you have allergies - well I have allergies and I had it so can you.
You mention you have had side effects with other vaccinations - And? This one is different
And on and on and on.

@Baluchistan95

Yep, I will not be getting this experimental emergency approved still on trial vaccine.

So many inaccuracies in one sentence. Failed.

Which bit is inaccurate?

The emergency approval?
That the trials are still on going?

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

OK, fine, you don't believe it. However, when a health care professional goes public with something inaccurate, alarmist or just plain untrue, she can be reported to her professional body/employer. This tends to put HCPs off coming out with that sort of statement.

I linked to a BBC report way, way upthread, where people in the UK who were in hospital in Bradford with Covid were quoted saying they wished they'd had the vaccine. Of course you won't believe them either because that's the mainstream media and you don't trust them.

This. I wouldn't bother with anti vaxers no point really.

@canigooutyet

Which bit is inaccurate?

The emergency approval?
That the trials are still on going?

Yes.

@canigooutyet

I don't blame you *@Ludovici* for not saying. Last year it was demands to know why you are exempt from wearing a mask, followed by a multitude of people saying well I wear it even though it makes me struggle to breathe, so can you. (wish I was making that one up). Surgeons have to wear them (yup forgetting about aspiring surgeons are out there who cannot wear a mask so will never fufil their dream)

You mention you have allergies - well I have allergies and I had it so can you.
You mention you have had side effects with other vaccinations - And? This one is different
And on and on and on.

People consistently lied and abused the mask 'exemption'. You should read what actual doctors have to say on the subject.

No one can force anyone to behave reasonably, nor to take precautions that lower the risk for everyone. But those who refuse should expect criticism.

If the trials have finished why are they still recruiting people

clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=coronavirus&term=&cntry=&state=&city=&dist=

[quote canigooutyet]If the trials have finished why are they still recruiting people

clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=coronavirus&term=&cntry=&state=&city=&dist=[/quote]
There are additional studies that build on the initial safety and efficacy confirmation. There are trials I've seen for third jab booster responses, for mixed vaccine efficacy and safety, for the Beta variant vaccine efficacy, for child vaccinations, for other types of vaccine (inhaled, other products etc), human challenge trials, checking CEV/CV antibody status etc etc etc etc etc. Science doesn't find one option and then stop, there is ongoing research.

It's a bit like saying you had a shopping trip last week, so why do you need to go to the supermarket again.

Lol I know. I was replying to the person who is under the believe that the trials have finished.

This one is also still recruiting for anyone that wants to see if they are eligible.

covid19vaccinetrial.co.uk/participate-trial

And another one that is recruiting

bepartofresearch.nihr.ac.uk/vaccine-studies/approved-vaccine-studies/

@Ludovici Of course you don't have to give a valid reason. But I bet if you had one, you'd share it eagerly.

Being critical isn't rude just because you don't like it. I'm sure it is quite hard to have your views challenged, but perhaps you should take some time to think it over?

[quote Innocenta]@Ludovici Of course you don't have to give a valid reason. But I bet if you had one, you'd share it eagerly.

Being critical isn't rude just because you don't like it. I'm sure it is quite hard to have your views challenged, but perhaps you should take some time to think it over? [/quote]
I have shared my reason before and got told I was pathetic, and it was "first world problems".
So, what if you don't consider the reason valid enough? What then?

Even your boss has to have valid reasons to know your status

ico.org.uk/global/data-protection-and-coronavirus-information-hub/coronavirus-recovery-data-protection-advice-for-organisations/vaccination-and-covid-status-checks/

@Ludovici You seem very confused. I don't think I have any right to force someone to tell me about their views on the vaccine, so I'm not sure where you're getting that from. But when somebody has a genuine, valid medical reason for deviating from the norm (a norm that is in place to protect everyone), generally - especially when it's anonymous! - they don't mind straightforwardly saying what that reason is.

A good example would be severe trigeminal neuralgia, which is one of the conditions where doctors tend to agree that mask exemption can be appropriate. In real life, someone might well not want to share medical information - that makes sense! But in a anonymous online forum, if a person reason to not wear a mask is trigeminal neuralgia, they will say so, because that is a very good reason. If they obfuscate, usually that points to no good reason.

You may be an exception! I don't know. But your assumption that I can somehow compel anyone to tell me why they do or don't get the jab is a little odd.

@XenoBitch I'm sorry, I don't remember your post about why you are or aren't getting jabbed. I do agree that 'first world problems' isn't a helpful response.

@Ludovici

I think the government and authorities' current demands and intrusions are rubbing off into posters on this thread.

Mumsnet "Valid Reasons" Police

Good reasons to not have a safe vaccine are rare. But yes, occasionally there are individuals for whom it may not be suitable - emphasis on 'occasionally'!

Somehow I think it's unlikely that all those people have magically wandered into this thread. Seems a bit more likely to me that there's some antivaxxer ideology creeping in here...

@Ludovici

JassyRadlett

the trials end in 2023

This is the bit that's really disingenuous. The trials to confirm safety and efficacy for a 2-shot regime for general adults have completed, as well you know. Additional trials for boosters, other groups, adjustments for variants etc don't affect the original trials.

[quote Ludovici]**@Innocenta

Your self denial is astounding and quite amusing[/quote]
Is this you admitting that you can't engage with what I'm actually saying?

Because that's what it feels like.