Is anyone NOT getting the vaccine?

[JC2021]

Anyone on here choosing not to receive the covid-19 vaccine?

I am undecided, but resistant.

My reasons; you can still become infected and spread the virus. How sick you might become would depend on your immunity, your age/health.

So, in my mind the only good the vaccine 'may' do (no guarantees) is prevent you getting very ill. Although, even this is still not guaranteed.

So the vaccine may reduce the change of you becoming really ill.

Fully vaccinated people can still spread the virus unknowingly to others, the same as unvaccinated.

Views?

Politicians have lied to us during this crisis, just like they always do. I don't think scientists have lied. They have made mistakes, which is hardly surprising. In the midst of an unprecedented crisis, they have done their best to make sense of a rapidly changing situation with very limited information that in some cases then turned out to be wrong, and that led them to give advice that with hindsight looks bad. That doesn't make them bad people.

Scientists and health care professionals have worked themselves into the ground to help others during this dreadful time. They must be absolutely gutted to see large numbers of people with no relevant knowledge or expertise rubbishing everything they've done, for no good reason.

I'm glad the UK and the other countries of the world have people who've done what I didn't, and applied themselves to studying their branches of science all the way through school and university and into careers in research and applied science, so that we are better placed now than any previous generation in history to get through a pandemic.

Fun fact: back in the 1300s, when scientific and medical knowledge was in its infancy, the Black Death, aka bubonic plague, killed a third of the population of Europe. Why don't we have outbreaks now? Answer: scientists discovered it was caused by a bacterial infection, and that can now be treated by antibiotics, developed by scientists. Scientists, doctors and bureaucrats worked out even before that the importance of quarantine and social distancing.

Great post @Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g. You have summed up what I feel. There is a reason why it is called a novel coronavirus.

Excellently put Gasp0de.

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g well said!

[quote MRex]"Feeling" that someone has shares in a different company to the one they have shares in... That's really weird TBH. Feelings should be reserved for sensations and opinions, non used on matters of fact to warp them into a lie.

You need to think critically about the sources of information you have and use; don't fall into the traps set by sources who do not have your interests at heart. www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/foreign-disinformation-social-media-campaigns-linked-to-falling-vaccination-rates/.[/quote]
Did you read it?
It blames things like Twitter but says Twitter isn't available all around the world.

I found this but very interesting

While the study is unique, it wasn’t able to specify the particulars of foreign disinformation campaigns or the prevalence of anti-vacccination propaganda, the researchers acknowledge.

Surely they would be able to specify what?

Excellent post @Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

@canigooutyet - there are hundreds more articles if you need more details (and no, not just Twitter):
November 2020 - www.politico.eu/article/covid-vaccine-disinformation-russia/amp/,
January - www.politico.com/newsletters/global-pulse/2021/01/28/what-chinas-vax-trolling-adds-up-to-491548,
March - www.wsj.com/amp/articles/russian-disinformation-campaign-aims-to-undermine-confidence-in-pfizer-other-covid-19-vaccines-u-s-officials-say-11615129200,
April - www.reuters.com/world/china/russia-china-sow-disinformation-undermine-trust-western-vaccines-eu-report-says-2021-04-28/.
None of this is new with covid, the strategy dates back years: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6137759/.

Be wary of what you are reading, they do not have your interests in mind.

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

www.al.com/news/2021/07/im-sorry-but-its-too-late-alabama-doctor-on-treating-unvaccinated-dying-covid-patients.html

Dr. Brytney Cobia said Monday that all but one of her COVID patients in Alabama did not receive the vaccine. The vaccinated patient, she said, just needed a little oxygen and is expected to fully recover. Some of the others are dying.

“I’m admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious COVID infections,” wrote Cobia, a hospitalist at Grandview Medical Center in Birmingham, in an emotional Facebook post Sunday. “One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late.”

I'm increasingly of the opinion that a large section of the population in both the US and the UK has somehow wafted through 10+ years of compulsory education without absorbing basic scientific concepts and without learning how to think critically, or even why that matters. Also, somehow not grasping that until scientists and doctors developed antibiotics and vaccinations, young, healthy people died every day from what are now entirely preventable diseases and infections. It's as if they want to be stupid. Why?

Read this @JC2021 and read this several times @PhasedRay.

Avoid YouTube videos going on about profits and think about health instead.

One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late

haha.
yeah, sure they do.
I've never read such mawkish bullshit in my life. Is anyone gullible enough to believe this?

Oh I know not every site or even poster has peoples best interests at heart. It's one of the reasons I have always looked after me, as you cannot rely on people to do this for you. Before the days of internet I would spend hours in the library researching about my various conditions to keep up with any advances especially when I was still under GP care (not saying they are shit, just don't know everything, and not saying I do either).

I haven't really been active on twitter for about a year. Got fed up with the endless covid stuff regardless of it's legitimacy. My feed went from loads of random stuff to corona.

@thenakedmolerat

One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late

haha.
yeah, sure they do.
I've never read such mawkish bullshit in my life. Is anyone gullible enough to believe this?

Did you actually bother to read what the doctor in Alabama said? Did you see the low rate of vaccination there?

Or did you just jump in with your pre conceived view.

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

Politicians have lied to us during this crisis, just like they always do. I don't think scientists have lied. They have made mistakes, which is hardly surprising. In the midst of an unprecedented crisis, they have done their best to make sense of a rapidly changing situation with very limited information that in some cases then turned out to be wrong, and that led them to give advice that with hindsight looks bad. That doesn't make them bad people.

Scientists and health care professionals have worked themselves into the ground to help others during this dreadful time. They must be absolutely gutted to see large numbers of people with no relevant knowledge or expertise rubbishing everything they've done, for no good reason.

I'm glad the UK and the other countries of the world have people who've done what I didn't, and applied themselves to studying their branches of science all the way through school and university and into careers in research and applied science, so that we are better placed now than any previous generation in history to get through a pandemic.

Fun fact: back in the 1300s, when scientific and medical knowledge was in its infancy, the Black Death, aka bubonic plague, killed a third of the population of Europe. Why don't we have outbreaks now? Answer: scientists discovered it was caused by a bacterial infection, and that can now be treated by antibiotics, developed by scientists. Scientists, doctors and bureaucrats worked out even before that the importance of quarantine and social distancing.

Indeed, yet so many and often with no more than basic school science know better

@thenakedmolerat

One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late

haha.
yeah, sure they do.
I've never read such mawkish bullshit in my life. Is anyone gullible enough to believe this?

Glad I'm not the only one. I read that thinking pull the other one. But I suppose if you have never been intubated outside of surgery you probably wouldn't have a clue what happens.

talloak
yes I did read it and stand by my statement that's it's mawkish bullshit.
remember the nurse here who said the paed. wards were full of child covid patients?
She had to retract that and the radio show had to apologise as it was made up mawkish bullshit.
That wasn't publicized though, was it

@ludovici
I think it would be the final scene. Fading away maybe as the stoic nurse leaves to tend to a saintly vaxxed person who truly deserves her attentions as the unclean one stares forlornly at a vaccine leaflet.......

@TheTallOakTrees
Laura Duffel she's called.

So let me get this right. We are supposed to ignore SM stuff because a lot of it is mis-information?

And where did the Dr post this claim that has since been widely shared?
That's right Facebook,

OK, fine, you don't believe it. However, when a health care professional goes public with something inaccurate, alarmist or just plain untrue, she can be reported to her professional body/employer. This tends to put HCPs off coming out with that sort of statement.

I linked to a BBC report way, way upthread, where people in the UK who were in hospital in Bradford with Covid were quoted saying they wished they'd had the vaccine. Of course you won't believe them either because that's the mainstream media and you don't trust them.

However, when a health care professional goes public with something inaccurate, alarmist or just plain untrue, she can be reported to her professional body/employer. This tends to put HCPs off coming out with that sort of statement
Laura Duffel? plastered all over the BBC for days then quietly dropped when it transpired she was lying.
The lovely Duffel has still got her job so obviously gross exaggeration and outright lies don't result in any sanctions.
oh, and the BBC is the most biased, in bed with the gov. you can imagine. I think the Daily Sport would be accurate in its reporting

@canigooutyet

So let me get this right. We are supposed to ignore SM stuff because a lot of it is mis-information?

And where did the Dr post this claim that has since been widely shared?
That's right Facebook,

ah, but that's the correct sort of message on SM. anything that doesn't agree with your opinion is merely tinfoil thicko's.

You should also read about she refers to herself as patient zero after inviting close family and friends to a weekend visit. 11 people attended. 8 people got the virus. This was around June/July last year.

Or how when she sees these patients that require intubation and she asks them if they had the vaccine and why not. And listens to their reasons. And afterwards how she hugs the parents family.

It's all over the net and many many many people have said what a load of shite and a reminder to reporters to have a bit of common sense.

Patients family not parents, although might also be hugging all the parents, as she wishes them luck as they now are on board getting the vaccine.