Is anyone NOT getting the vaccine?

[JC2021]

Anyone on here choosing not to receive the covid-19 vaccine?

I am undecided, but resistant.

My reasons; you can still become infected and spread the virus. How sick you might become would depend on your immunity, your age/health.

So, in my mind the only good the vaccine 'may' do (no guarantees) is prevent you getting very ill. Although, even this is still not guaranteed.

So the vaccine may reduce the change of you becoming really ill.

Fully vaccinated people can still spread the virus unknowingly to others, the same as unvaccinated.

Views?

@AuntNora What do you do to get through taking antibiotics?

@DDIJ

I won't be having the vaccine. I am not an antivaxxer and I have no concerns about the vaccine itself.

You literally are an antivaxxer, though. If you had a valid reason for not having it, you'd say what that reason was.

@AuntNora

I’m not an anti vaxxer, I just don’t feel able to have this vaccine as my fear of medication and taking things into my body is too great.

I mean this kindly. You need professional help with that. What would happen if you became diabetic and needed insulin, or developed another serious illness where you need regular medication? Your anxiety is well beyond a normal level and surely must be affecting every area of your life. If you have children, it will affect them to grow up with that level of anxiety in their mother.

@AuntNora

I’m not an anti vaxxer, I just don’t feel able to have this vaccine as my fear of medication and taking things into my body is too great.

I avoid taking medication as much as I can too. I believe in this case it's clearly better than the alternative: getting sick with the virus, and contributing to the deaths of others

@AuntNora but you are fine with letting a novel virus into your body?

@DDIJ

I won't be having the vaccine. I am not an antivaxxer and I have no concerns about the vaccine itself.

This is the single most baffling post on the thread for me. Is there a medical reason you can't have the vaccine? I can't think of a single other reason why you would refuse it if you aren't worried about its safety.

Those young people who come into a contact with such vulnerable people should be taking an extra care indeed.

@Tiari

All this denial of anxiety and fear.........Methinks thou does protest too much

Methinks thou does project too much

I think it’s selfish to decline the vaccine for no good reason.

I’m not scared of getting Covid at all. I had it in Dec/Jan and it was luckily no worse than a mild cold for me.

I don’t relish having vaccines, nor do I enjoy wearing masks and distancing but I had the jabs and continue to wear a mask and distance because I believe the science that says these measures are what will help us to get back to a more normal life and help us reduce the numbers dying.

I can’t do anything about the unvaxxed other than hope they stay away from others, especially people like a relative of my DH’s who is double jabbed but has no antibodies to the virus (he has been tested) because of his complex autoimmune conditions. I feel bad for him as someone who has done everything he could do to minimise risk for himself and who may yet have to constitute to isolate so as to keep himself safe.

I’m happy to do my bit for to minimise risk for people like him, and for those who cannot have the vaccine at all.

I find it hard to respect those who choose not to be vaccinated based on dodgy science and conspiracy theories. Before anyone gets arsey about that- that lack of respect is my private feeling and I’m not about to start treating people any differently according to whether they’re vaxxed or not.
Other than not wanting to sit next to them

Perhaps people are hesitant because it's only been released under temporary authorisation for a year

www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4759

It's the people who say "I'm not a sheep, I won't be controlled and forced to have a vaccine. I'm not putting a poison in my body"

Yet you've been smoking 10 a day for 20 years, vape god knows what, binge drink most weekends and eat heavily processed food. Yeh, you really care about your health.

@canigooutyet
It's an emergency authorization, because we are in an emergency. The temporary authorization is so they have time to complete paperwork for a full authorization. It doesn't mean the vaccine is unsafe. It has been through all the process. There has not been shortcuts.

or because

Do we know anything about interactions with other drugs?
No. In guidance to healthcare professionals the MHRA said that “no interaction studies have been performed.”

This is one of the reasons why my consultants advised against it btw. Once they have this info, the vaccines that are fine for allergies will be considered.

@waterlego
Exactly. Great comment.
Every person deserves respect. Not all opinions deserve respect.

Many people with severe allergies, including myself, have had the vaccine. Don't spread misinformation, @canigooutyet

@canigooutyet
I would look for a consultant that doesn't go against the recommendations of the medical experts.

@canigooutyet have they also tested how your immune system interacts with Covid. No. Best of luck.

Not spreading misinformation, have to scroll down to around page 20 for the allergies

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/998309/Greenbook_chapter_14a_1July2021.pdf

Interaction with other medication
www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/sars-cov-2-covid-19-mrna-bnt-162b2-vaccine,pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine.html

PHE advises individuals with a history of immediate onset anaphylaxis to multiple classes of drugs, or unexplained anaphylaxis, should not be vaccinated with the Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna vaccine except on advice of an allergy specialist; the AstraZeneca vaccine can be used as an alternative (if not otherwise contra-indicated). The vaccine should be administered in a setting with full resuscitation facilities, followed by an observation period of 30 minutes.

bnf.nice.org.uk/drug/covid-19-vaccine.html#contraIndications

Not sure who the consultants are supposed to listen to when NHS, NICE, FDA and more all advice the same.

I actually think it's more dangerous when people say well I have this, that and the other and I've had. When the advice should be really talk to the medical people to find out your individual risk, considering if the risks outweigh the benefits you are advised not to have it.

At least one of the link I have posted also highlight this.

I already know how my body reacts to the virus. Had it last year. Yes really, I even posted about it at the time.

@canigooutyet
In that case, of course you should not have the vaccine.
It's very different to go to a forum and saying " my doctor say that the vaccine is not safe" than going to a forum and saying "I am not having the vaccine because I'm in one of the few categories of people for which the vaccine is not currently recommended".

[quote canigooutyet]Perhaps people are hesitant because it's only been released under temporary authorisation for a year

www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4759[/quote]
Why would you post a link without even reading it to understand the reasons? It's like you prefer to blinker yourself from the fact that vaccines work and are safe. If you aren't able to have a vaccine then maybe hiding facts gets you through the day, but then I'm even less sure why you'd want to try to deter others given that others vaccinating will keep your unvaccinated self safer?

@waterlego

I think it’s selfish to decline the vaccine for no good reason.

I’m not scared of getting Covid at all. I had it in Dec/Jan and it was luckily no worse than a mild cold for me.

I don’t relish having vaccines, nor do I enjoy wearing masks and distancing but I had the jabs and continue to wear a mask and distance because I believe the science that says these measures are what will help us to get back to a more normal life and help us reduce the numbers dying.

I can’t do anything about the unvaxxed other than hope they stay away from others, especially people like a relative of my DH’s who is double jabbed but has no antibodies to the virus (he has been tested) because of his complex autoimmune conditions. I feel bad for him as someone who has done everything he could do to minimise risk for himself and who may yet have to constitute to isolate so as to keep himself safe.

I’m happy to do my bit for to minimise risk for people like him, and for those who cannot have the vaccine at all.

I find it hard to respect those who choose not to be vaccinated based on dodgy science and conspiracy theories. Before anyone gets arsey about that- that lack of respect is my private feeling and I’m not about to start treating people any differently according to whether they’re vaxxed or not.
Other than not wanting to sit next to them

What a good, sensible post.

I would rather provide all the information I have so that people can make an informed decision, rather than guilt tripping people into having something they personally might not want.

As someone who is vulnerable and not just to this, it my job to protect me. If it was everyone else that should protect me and others, then more would have been done decades ago about sending children into school ill, about the martyrs going to work, following nhs guidance when it comes to temperatures and more.

There is also some nasty shit around that has no vaccine, or not routinely vaccinated against in the UK. To date I have had more hospitalisations due to pertussis than I have had for other respiratory stuff I have. THe vaccine isn't advised in the UK for adults but is in other parts of the world. IF I was going to start lecturing and guilt tripping people it would be about that tbph.

People who are directly, explicitly told by their doctors not to have the vaccine, obviously shouldn't have the vaccine.

That will be an absolutely tiny number of people. Most people who bring up their health concerns are not actually in this group at all, and their wording makes it obvious. I would always - and I have, upthread - encourage anyone with a genuine and specific concern to talk to their lead consultant for expert advice. But it's simply not true that people with allergies, as a group, just somehow can't be vaccinated. That is the misinformation.

I have five systemic allergic conditions, plus specific anaphylactic allergies. I am double-jabbed.