Is anyone NOT getting the vaccine?

[JC2021]

Anyone on here choosing not to receive the covid-19 vaccine?

I am undecided, but resistant.

My reasons; you can still become infected and spread the virus. How sick you might become would depend on your immunity, your age/health.

So, in my mind the only good the vaccine 'may' do (no guarantees) is prevent you getting very ill. Although, even this is still not guaranteed.

So the vaccine may reduce the change of you becoming really ill.

Fully vaccinated people can still spread the virus unknowingly to others, the same as unvaccinated.

Views?

@JaceLancs

I’ve had it as have DM, DS and DD DP is an anti vaxxer My nephew (40s n very fit) has just had a clot after second Astra Zeneca and is currently in ICU - heart n lung consultant said they’ve seen quite a few cases which they believe are vaccine related but are not being encouraged to report this

gosh - who is not encouraging them to report this? This sounds like absolute bullshit to me.

I think it would be great to make unvaccinated people pay for for the illness, death and damage to the economy they are causing. They are all about personal choice, and with personal choice comes personal responsibility.

@JaceLancs

I’ve had it as have DM, DS and DD DP is an anti vaxxer My nephew (40s n very fit) has just had a clot after second Astra Zeneca and is currently in ICU - heart n lung consultant said they’ve seen quite a few cases which they believe are vaccine related but are not being encouraged to report this

what would be the benefit of covering up a blood clot occurring after AZ when this is already a known and reported side effect of this vaccine?

@gasp0dethew0nderd0g

No, because what others do is none of my business. I can only think for me and try my best for my family.

Yes, I would feel safe turning the vaccine down. I think for a small proportion of society, covid is obviously very serious but that for the most part it causes a mild illness. As someone who is young and as far as I know, healthy; I don't believe the jab is worth the risk.

My father in law actually died of Covid. I've also lost someone who took the vaccine and subsequently had a heart attack. My other friend suffered a seizure, has lost his license for a minimum of 6 months and is unable to work. So no, its not blind optimism, I've seen both sides of the story thank you.

@berrylands

I think it would be great to make unvaccinated people pay for for the illness, death and damage to the economy they are causing. They are all about personal choice, and with personal choice comes personal responsibility.

People like you, and thoughts like this, are the reason many are glad to be on the other side of the fence.

heart n lung consultant said they’ve seen quite a few cases which they believe are vaccine related but are not being encouraged to report this

Aye, right. You can report it yourself if you want.

[quote IHTC]@rampantivy

I was wondering how long it would take someone to hint I'm selfish

I'm selfish in the sense that I will always put myself and my family before strangers. It's human nature and anyone who denies this is kidding themselves. If you've had a vaccine, you've had it to protect you. Not Dorris, age 95 in Cornwall or me.

Likewise, I've chosen not to have it as I'm doing what I think is best for me and my family.[/quote]
Like you I want my freedom, but unlike you I am able to see the bigger picture, and have been double vaccinated and am prepared to still wear a mask in shops (I don't like wearing a mask, but I am risk averse)

If everyone took your view we will go into lockdown 4.

The freedom to enjoy personal choice also brings responsibility.

By all means don't vaccinate, but don't mix with other people.

@berrylands

Completely ridiculous comment. A lot of the people that visit A&E are there because they made a choice. I. E people using power tools, people who had opted to try for a baby and miscarry, people who have drank too much... Should they pay too?

@eandz13

*You've decided you and your family will probably be amongst the fortunate ones who survive Covid and don't get long Covid. Do you have any basis for this, or is it just blind optimism? * I mean, I'd say the actual statistics that point to the overwhelming likelihood that most people are likely to recover just fine from covid is a pretty good basis.

The stats also point to the overwhelming likelihood that most people who have the vaccine have no side effects other than feeling a little bit tired and maybe having a slightly sore arm.

If one set of stats is important, why can the other set be ignored?

But going back to the point about most people recovering just fine, a lot of people who fall ill with Covid are very, very unwell indeed, even if they don't end up in hospital, and even if they have no long-term problems. They need significant time off work or school, and require care from a family member, who therefore also needs time off work. Not pleasant, and most of us would want to avoid that if we possibly could.

It really isn't possible to predict in advance who'll shrug it off easily and who won't.

The tall tales on here show desperate the anti vaxxers are. They know they have lost the argument and that most people are
having the vaccine.

@rampantivy There's that holier than thou attitude again

@foxandbee agree that most people are having the vaccine. It's only an argument because seemingly people who have had it can't accept that others don't want it. You all resort to name calling and thinking you're above them.

You've made a choice, I respect your choice. I'm glad you've been able to get what you wanted. Why can't you respect others?

[quote IHTC]@berrylands

Completely ridiculous comment. A lot of the people that visit A&E are there because they made a choice. I. E people using power tools, people who had opted to try for a baby and miscarry, people who have drank too much... Should they pay too?[/quote]
And these ^^ aren't ridiculous comments?

So all the hype around LFTs was another bunch of smoke and mirrors? Interesting.

@eandz13
Do you care to explain why?
The point I am trying to make is that anti vaxxers need to be confronted with the consequences of their acts. They keep telling us it's their own business to be vaccinated or not. Ultimately it's their choice, but they are damaging everyone with their irrationality. They are causing deaths. They are helping the virus to mutate, evade vaccines and bring us all back to square one. After the year of lockdowns, the millions of deaths, the ruined lives. They keep telling us it's their decision and we have to respect it. It's their decision, but I don't think it's respectable, it's criminal.

You've made a choice, I respect your choice. I'm glad you've been able to get what you wanted. Why can't you respect others?

Because most of their reasons are based on inaccurate "facts".
I respect anyone who has a completely valid reason for not vaccinating, but most of them are utterly ridiculous.

[quote berrylands]@eandz13
Do you care to explain why?
The point I am trying to make is that anti vaxxers need to be confronted with the consequences of their acts. They keep telling us it's their own business to be vaccinated or not. Ultimately it's their choice, but they are damaging everyone with their irrationality. They are causing deaths. They are helping the virus to mutate, evade vaccines and bring us all back to square one. After the year of lockdowns, the millions of deaths, the ruined lives. They keep telling us it's their decision and we have to respect it. It's their decision, but I don't think it's respectable, it's criminal.[/quote]
I agree. I think these are poeple who don't want the world to open up, and are probably affluent enough to not be affected by the virus.

I bet there are very few minimum wage earners and people on zero hours contracts who don't want to take steps to prevent themselves from catching the virus.

@rampantivy Please explain, how is that a ridiculous comment? These are all people who have made choices and ultimately out extra strain on the NHS. Do you need me to be clearer?

Just because you don't think their reasons aren't valid doesn't make it so. You are no better than anyone else.

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g
I absolutely agree with you. I'm not against the vaccine, like you say, you are very likely to be just fine if you've had it. People should absolutely get it if they want it.
I'm just pointing out that the vast, vast majority of people with covid recover completely. A very small percentage overall will have complications or die as a result - the actual percentage likely lower since we've counted any deaths after positive test. Just as a very small percentage of those who have had the vaccine will die/have complications as a result.
I'm of the opinion everybody should make their own choices, weigh out their own risks.

[quote IHTC]@foxandbee agree that most people are having the vaccine. It's only an argument because seemingly people who have had it can't accept that others don't want it. You all resort to name calling and thinking you're above them.

You've made a choice, I respect your choice. I'm glad you've been able to get what you wanted. Why can't you respect others?[/quote]
I don't respect anyone that spreads misinformation and that is what a lot of the anti-vax crowd on MN do. If they could instead present a realistic alternative to get us all out of this mess I might have more respect.

[quote IHTC]@berrylands

Completely ridiculous comment. A lot of the people that visit A&E are there because they made a choice. I. E people using power tools, people who had opted to try for a baby and miscarry, people who have drank too much... Should they pay too?[/quote]
We are supposed to take responsibility for the damage we cause to others. That's why we have car insurance, home insurance, etc.
All the people you mention are paying for the damage they caused to themselves. It's called medical insurance. And if the damage is caused by a tool malfunction we expect the manufacturer to pay.
The point I was trying to make, although I should have seen it was not going to be understood, is that antivaxers do cause deaths and illness, and they need to be told it's their fault

@berrylands

I think it would be great to make unvaccinated people pay for for the illness, death and damage to the economy they are causing. They are all about personal choice, and with personal choice comes personal responsibility.

So that was everyone then. Illness, death and damage to the economy was happening long before any vaccine became available.

I won't be getting the vaccine. I've had Covid with very few symptoms and I'd rather catch it again than have the vaccine.

@berrylands

I think it would be great to make unvaccinated people pay for for the illness, death and damage to the economy they are causing. They are all about personal choice, and with personal choice comes personal responsibility.

What a utterly ridiculous thing to say! Seriously!

I have worked all the way through this pandemic, had to mix with many people despite being high risk. My industry was one that kept the economy going. I didn’t have the luxury of being furloughed and sitting at home! I didn’t have a choice if I didn’t work I would loose everything.

What about all the care home staff that worked their socks off to try and protect the elderly and vulnerable when vaccines were not available at the time, the ones who now for what ever personal reason are not having vaccine have now lost their jobs, they don’t get thanked at all. It all gets forgotten about because of a choice they have made not to have the vaccine.

Those of you arguing that it is a mild illness why have we even bothered with lockdowns or screwed up the economy to try and prevent the spread?