Is anyone NOT getting the vaccine?

[JC2021]

Anyone on here choosing not to receive the covid-19 vaccine?

I am undecided, but resistant.

My reasons; you can still become infected and spread the virus. How sick you might become would depend on your immunity, your age/health.

So, in my mind the only good the vaccine 'may' do (no guarantees) is prevent you getting very ill. Although, even this is still not guaranteed.

So the vaccine may reduce the change of you becoming really ill.

Fully vaccinated people can still spread the virus unknowingly to others, the same as unvaccinated.

Views?

@foxandbee

It is 40% Sapphire.

60% of people admitted to hospital with Covid were double jabbed. Most people catch Covid whilst they’re in hospital.

40% or 60% of people admitted to the hospital were double jabbed???? What? What happened to the claim that double jabbed people won't get seriously ill with Covid? 40 % or 60%, those are huge numbers!

As mare said that stat has been corrected. It is 40%

@Canigooutyet

I m always clicking random links *@knittingaddict*

manufactured illusion. Dr David Martin with Reiner Fuellmich 9/7/21 didn't watch it but that's the title

@vegas888

ah good david martin, who uses a dr title despite not being a clinician or having a PhD

He claims the pandemic was planned and "event 201" is proof of this

His statements about the vaccine can be disproven by my 11 year old

“This is not a vaccine.It is a medical device designed to stimulate the human cell into becoming a pathogen creator”

“You are getting injected with a chemical substance to induce illness, not to induce an immuno-transmissive response. This is about getting you sick and having your own cells be the thing that gets you sick”

As always, don't get vaccinated if you don't want to but no need to spread anti-vax crap about it

40% is still significant!

These Covid vaccines do not prevent you from catching Covid or transmitting it.

This is somewhat misleading. The vaccines prevent the majority of infections, and around half of transmissions if the vaccinated person is infected.

They aren't 100% - and less effective against delta, which is a real issue thanks to our fuckwit government inviting delta in before we had decent vaccine coverage. But they do prevent most infection, and they do prevent a lot of secondary transmission.

I note that a lot of people who have refused the vaccine can't see their families and feel this is unfair. I have not seen my young adult DD, my sister or my mother for over a year because the UK is now a travel pariah and several countries won't let us in. Despite us all being double vaxxed.

My patience with vaccine refusers who use loony science deniers to justify their choices is wearing thin.

@Emmmie

40% is still significant!

It has been explained many times it would be expected that a relatively high proportion of people hospitalised would be double vaccinated, and that it's not alarming or evidence the vaccines aren't working as we'd hope.

Right now vaccination is not equally distributed through the population - the double vaxxed are on average older and more likely to be CEV/CV. This increases your risk of hospitalization.

@Emmmie think about which groups of people are most likely to have had the vaccination and which groups are most likely to be very ill if they do catch covid. If 100% of the population had been vaccinated then the % of those in hospital with covid who had been vaccinated would be ...can you work it out?

I don't understand why some people think that because the vaccines are not 100% effective at stopping all illness, infection and death, they are useless.

Many people being treated for covid-related illness are double-jabbed because so many people are now double-jabbed. This does not take into account the many more people saved from serious illness, hospital admission and death due to being double-jabbed.

40% is still significant!

It's not really unexpected when you look at the numbers who are vaccinated, particularly in the higher risk groups. It's always been stated that once infections got to a high level, and if vaccination continued at the current rate, then ultimately the majority of hospitalisations and deaths would be in the vaccinated - because a small percentage of a very large number (those vaccinated who remain vulnerable to serious disease) is still a large number.

When you consider how disproportionately those at risk of serious illness and death are in the vaccinated group, it's actually reassuring that the majority of those being hospitalised are in the unvaccinated group - particularly given the majority of that group has a much lower risk profile based on age and clinical factors.

I have a lot of anecdata on this because I am from a family of doctors who are obviously more exposed to COVID than others. I have over a 100 doctors in my extended family spread over 3 countries. ( may seem unbelievable but I am of Indian origin so it is the only acceptable profession:) Every one double jabbed with AZ and a few Pfizer. No side effects. Several have got Delta anyway, but very mildly and stayed out of hospital. AZ may be less effective but still very effective.

@rampantivy

I was wondering how long it would take someone to hint I'm selfish

I'm selfish in the sense that I will always put myself and my family before strangers. It's human nature and anyone who denies this is kidding themselves. If you've had a vaccine, you've had it to protect you. Not Dorris, age 95 in Cornwall or me.

Likewise, I've chosen not to have it as I'm doing what I think is best for me and my family.

I note that a lot of people who have refused the vaccine can't see their families and feel this is unfair.

It's almost as if their commitment to people making their own decisions and choices about their personal wellbeing only extends as far as themselves.

As soon as they are negatively affected by someone else making a decision about their personal wellbeing, it's 'coercion' and totally unfair.

@Emmmie

40% is still significant!

Relative to the population of those who have been jabbed, not really. If only 11% of England is unvaccinated but that 11% make up the vast majority of those hospitalised then there is your problem.

I'm selfish in the sense that I will always put myself and my family before strangers. It's human nature and anyone who denies this is kidding themselves. If you've had a vaccine, you've had it to protect you. Not Dorris, age 95 in Cornwall or me.

I think there are real challenges in extrapolating one's own motivations to others.

I'm pretty low risk from Covid. My husband and kids are very low risk. We're well-insulated economically (though there was a hairy period last year that would have impacted our lifestyle, it would not have been catastrophic.) I've never been personally any more worried about catching Covid than about catching flu.

I was massively excited about getting the vaccine because it's my contribution to this shitshow ending. Part of that is, yes, selfish. I have not enjoyed this shitshow. But it's not all of it. I want people in my community to be able to get their jobs back, businesses to thrive, to see their families in Europe (even if my own home government won't let me into my country for another year or so...)

It's easy to dismiss - but it's the same reason I, a fully vaccinated low risk person still wear a mask indoors. It's irritating. I'm not a fan. But if it makes it easier for other people to be in those spaces for whatever reason, why not? It's a small irritant to me and I am ok with being irritated for the sake of someone else's wellbeing.

@MareofBeasttown My patience with vaccine refusers who use loony science deniers to justify their choices is wearing thin.

I have had all of my childhood vaccinations against childhood diseases that kill healthy children. I’ve had my HPV jab too. I don’t want the AZ, Pfizer of Moderna jabs against Covid because 1) I’ve had Covid and wasn’t really that ill. 2) I am wary of the side effects as some of them could worsen my medical conditions (Vestibular). 3) I am young and it’s the young ones that are more likely to suffer with side effects than older people eg. Migraines, heart issues, blood clots etc. I also don’t like how it can affect your menstrual cycle.

I'm doing what I think is best for me and my family.

Ditto. Only I chose to have the vaccine to protect myself and society. That's the example I want to set my child.

To get a vaccine or not is a personal choice! Enough of this propaganda!

@Sapphiresparkles my 20 yr daughter has vestibular migraine. she had the vaccine anyway as her doctor advised that covid would be worse and disruptive to her university schedule, plus covid is raging where she is. She even had AZ as nothing else is available where she is.

I agree that all of us are selfish. I am not pretending that I am altruistic.

To get a vaccine or not is a personal choice! Enough of this propaganda!

Which propaganda? The lies you told about vaccine deaths? I agree that sort of propaganda should stop immediately.

@whathojeeves good for you. I whole heartedly respect your decision. Meanwhile, I'm teaching my children to do research, look at both sides and make a decision that they think is best for them. Not to be coerced into something they might not be comfortable with.

[quote SapphireSparkles]**@MareofBeasttown* My patience with vaccine refusers who use loony science deniers to justify their choices is wearing thin.*

I have had all of my childhood vaccinations against childhood diseases that kill healthy children. I’ve had my HPV jab too. I don’t want the AZ, Pfizer of Moderna jabs against Covid because 1) I’ve had Covid and wasn’t really that ill. 2) I am wary of the side effects as some of them could worsen my medical conditions (Vestibular). 3) I am young and it’s the young ones that are more likely to suffer with side effects than older people eg. Migraines, heart issues, blood clots etc. I also don’t like how it can affect your menstrual cycle.[/quote]
Personal choice, but advice from the National Migraine Centre and Migraine Trust is to get vaccinated as soon as it is available. My neuro echoed this advice at my last appointment.

People with migraine and vestibular migraine are at a much high risk of blood clots than the general population, meaning COVID is potentially more serious for them. In contrast, they are not at a higher risk for CVSTs meaning AZ is not contraindicated.

@MareofBeasttown I don’t want to risk it. I already suffer enough.

@leafyygreens Yes, exactly. But as I have said before on these threads, I like to take medical advice rather than attempt to do research with my law degree.