Is anyone NOT getting the vaccine?

[JC2021]

Anyone on here choosing not to receive the covid-19 vaccine?

I am undecided, but resistant.

My reasons; you can still become infected and spread the virus. How sick you might become would depend on your immunity, your age/health.

So, in my mind the only good the vaccine 'may' do (no guarantees) is prevent you getting very ill. Although, even this is still not guaranteed.

So the vaccine may reduce the change of you becoming really ill.

Fully vaccinated people can still spread the virus unknowingly to others, the same as unvaccinated.

Views?

Lol it an old device.

@CrunchyCarrot

Remember when people were dropping dead in the streets of China?

I don't think this was ever real. People don't drop dead from this virus whilst walking about in the street. For some reason those videos were circulated on the 'net but I don't for one minute believe they were real.

That was my point, it was bollocks. It was on BBC and Sky News, too. So I understand why people are choosing not to blindly follow what we are being told to do now.

@SusannahSophia glad to hear it! Not everyone understands this stuff as they've been brainwashed by dentists and so-called 'scientists'.

Dentists are part of The Great Regret or Reset or something Jesus. Bastards are working to save our teeth and help catch oral cancer early. Not to mention promoting gum health to prevent heart attacks and strokes. BASTARDS.

Crunchy you might have realised they were fake. Clearly a lot believed them to be real thus sharing them and panicking people.

@JassyRadlett

Why? Why then 130 k dead from with Covid then? They also died within 28 days of being tested. That’s a very good question!

No, how about you answer the question asked?

Why did you use a figure so dishonestly when the source material was specific that it did not mean what you used it to mean?

There's plenty written on the 28 day figure and as I said above it's imperfect - in both directions.

But meanwhile - why did you use that figure so misleadingly? Did you not read the source material, or were you intending to deceive?

I have a table with a figure of who died from covid not with it, cannot find it on my phone at the moment, was also from gov uk

Was it the one where it's mentioned on death certificates as a contributing factor? The death certificate figure is a lot higher.

I wasn’t dishonest! I said what I said based on the official gov statistics, of course they would be saying it wasn’t directly from these vaccines, try to prove it, same as 130 k deaths from covid

Talking of dentist and teeth. Is flossing a load of bollocks as well? Daughter saw a new dentist recently and was amazed she didn't have the usual flossing spiel, and come to think about it I haven't heard it mentioned for a couple of years.

Just to let you know because I have said i will not have the vaccine someone reported my posts and they were removed. Apparently to give an alternative view is now not acceptable in the MNN world.

Censorship.

How very scary is that. I wish you all luck. You truly will need it.

loulou did you ask why they were removed?

Trying to prove a link between vaccination and side effects is extremely hard. Just look at the vaccine compensation scheme.

@IHTC

I've chosen not to.

I don't think the risks of covid (for me personally) are great enough to warrant me taking it.

But it isn't just about you.

Bangs head against a brick wall.

but it IS just about her. it really is. It's called body autonomy
bangs head against wall

@Heyhohi, you said I wasn’t dishonest! I said what I said based on the official gov statistics, of course they would be saying it wasn’t directly from these vaccines, try to prove it, same as 130 k deaths from covid

That seems to me to be 'They would say that, wouldn't they?'

Is it your view then, that all government statistics are made up for some ulterior motive?

Did you read my post above? When people die shortly after taking a vaccine the death is reported in case it can be shown to have some link to taking the vaccine. In the vast majority of cases it had nothing to do with the vaccine. Sadly, people die from all sorts of causes every day. You quoted text that spelled out that 1400 cases had been investigated and the authorities are satisfied there was no link to the vaccine. Why would they lie about this? Why would they spend a small fortune on vaccinating the population if they had good reason to think it isn't safe and will result in huge costs to the NHS and the economy in the longer term?

Apparently to give an alternative view spread lies is now not acceptable in the MNN world

Fixed that for you.

@foxandbee dentists are all part of the Great British Bake-Off. As @Canigooutyet says, flossing mysteriously 'dropped off the agenda' at the exact time GBB went over to Channel 4. That's a hell of a coincidence

@thenakedmolerat

but it IS just about her. it really is. It's called body autonomy bangs head against wall

When does not spreading the virus become less important?

As long as she doesn't mix with other people, some of whom can't have the vaccine or are vulnerable.

I wasn’t dishonest!

Yes, you were. You said 1400 people had died as a result of the vaccine. When asked for your source, you shared figures where it was specifically stated that there was no evidence of a link between those deaths and the vaccine and when compared to expected population deaths there was nothing unusual in those levels.

That is dishonest. Either you intended to deceive or you were very careless when bandying around figures that could unnecessarily and baselessly frighten people.

It's pretty rich to complain about one set of figures (the 130k being used) where there are obvious and openly discussed limitations to the data, but then use another set of figures entirely in a way without basis for them to be used.

The Covid death figures are challenging, as I've said. There are a number of measures we can look at - do you prefer death certificates that cite Covid as a contributing factor? Excess mortality is a bit challenging because of the depressive effect of public health measures on other causes of death such as flu, accidents during lockdowns when travel was suppressed, etc etc.

I prefer not to use a single number for these reasons - any one of them is invariably imprecise (and those who produce the data openly acknowledge this). The death certificates is probably the safest, particularly looking at the proportion where Covid-19 was listed in part 1 (contributing directly to death).

@thenakedmolerat

but it IS just about her. it really is. It's called body autonomy bangs head against wall

No, it isn't. The decision to vaccinate or not has two elements to it.

1. What will this do to my body? Is this something I want to do to my body?
2. How will this benefit the wider community? Am I bothered about that?

If we were still in the days of smallpox or bubonic plague, I wonder if people would find this easier to grasp. An infected person can pass on the disease to other people. A vaccinated person either doesn't pass it on or passes it on in a less severe form. Either way, it reduces the risk to others, as well as to the vaccinated person.

If we want to get back to something like normality, we need the great majority of the population to be immune to this disease, or protected from getting it badly. That protects people who can't get the jab. It allows us to get the economy back on track. It means the NHS can start tackling the backlog of other health issues and screening. We can avoid another lockdown.

Fortunately the people who only consider point 1 above are in a dwindling minority.

@loulouljh

Just to let you know because I have said i will not have the vaccine someone reported my posts and they were removed. Apparently to give an alternative view is now not acceptable in the MNN world.

Censorship.

How very scary is that. I wish you all luck. You truly will need it.

I suspect they were removed because of the misinformation and outright conspiracy theories on them.

I didn't bother to report them, but very happy that others did.

Of course it is a personal choice.
Healthy children are not being offered it because there is a little benefit to them. Yet they are super spreaders for illnesses.
The same should have been applied to adults don't you think?
Why should people who have less involvement with the community than secondary schoolers have to have it. It assumes that all adults are socially outgoing when this isn't the case.

60% of people admitted with Covid19 related issues are double jabbed. These Covid vaccines do not prevent you from catching Covid or transmitting it. If you’re mendicant vulnerable then the vaccine may reduce the effects of the virus should you catch it, but healthy people don’t need this.

There are loads of side effects. I suffer from migraines, vertigo and tinnitus. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have worsened these symptoms for those with vestibular conditions. The vaccines have also caused these symptoms for those who didn’t suffer prior the jab.

*admitted to hospital
*medically vulnerable

It is 40% Sapphire.

@loulouljh

Just to let you know because I have said i will not have the vaccine someone reported my posts and they were removed. Apparently to give an alternative view is now not acceptable in the MNN world.

Censorship.

How very scary is that. I wish you all luck. You truly will need it.

I'm assuming they were removed because you were making anti-vax claims that aren't true, and not even attempting to back up these statements with evidence..

@SapphireSparkles

60% of people admitted with Covid19 related issues are double jabbed. These Covid vaccines do not prevent you from catching Covid or transmitting it. If you’re mendicant vulnerable then the vaccine may reduce the effects of the virus should you catch it, but healthy people don’t need this.

There are loads of side effects. I suffer from migraines, vertigo and tinnitus. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have worsened these symptoms for those with vestibular conditions. The vaccines have also caused these symptoms for those who didn’t suffer prior the jab.

As always with these threads, endless errors/lies/fibs by bleating vaccine refusers. You are wrong about this figure. It was a mistake by Patrick Vallance.

Also, why is it that vaccine refusers cannot grasp the fact that the vaccine GREATLY REDUCES your chance of transmitting it? Yes, it does not completely eliminate it. But no vaccine does. We are aiming to reduce transmission as far as possible. Why endlessly repeat the lie that the vaccine does not prevent transmission?