Is anyone NOT getting the vaccine?

[JC2021]

Anyone on here choosing not to receive the covid-19 vaccine?

I am undecided, but resistant.

My reasons; you can still become infected and spread the virus. How sick you might become would depend on your immunity, your age/health.

So, in my mind the only good the vaccine 'may' do (no guarantees) is prevent you getting very ill. Although, even this is still not guaranteed.

So the vaccine may reduce the change of you becoming really ill.

Fully vaccinated people can still spread the virus unknowingly to others, the same as unvaccinated.

Views?

[quote covi]@squiglet111 I am not anti vaxx please do not categorise me. My child has been fully vaccinated and so am I. I am against an experimental drug that is being pushed down our throats for no apparent reason.
If you think it's alright to coerce people into having something done to their bodies without their consent then you are part of the problem.

Do you think it's right to bribe people to have the vaccine by giving them food when they get there, or ice cream?

I mean it's quite worrying. If covid was as bad as they make it out to be then people would be queuing without being coerced .

I don't believe a word the bbc are saying- you've been brainwashed and scared to the core [/quote]
I feel short changed now; never even got a plaster when I got my vaccine! Where were these places with food and ice cream??

@foxandbee

I am against an experimental drug that is being pushed down our throats for no apparent reason.

Maybe you would feel more comfortable with a vaccine that is put in your arm? Ask your GP if this is possible. 😷

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I feel short changed now; never even got a plaster when I got my vaccine! Where were these places with food and ice cream??

I didn't even get a bloody sticker, either time, because I had mine done at the GP not a vax centre.

My husband blagged me a sticker to stop me complaining about it when he had his...

[quote vegas888]This made interesting viewing

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Could you give a clue about what is interesting before I click on random links?

@JassyRadlett

I feel short changed now; never even got a plaster when I got my vaccine! Where were these places with food and ice cream??

I didn't even get a bloody sticker, either time, because I had mine done at the GP not a vax centre.

My husband blagged me a sticker to stop me complaining about it when he had his...

I got a badge! Would have had my vaccine anyway, but I was very pleased to get it.

@JassyRadlett

I feel short changed now; never even got a plaster when I got my vaccine! Where were these places with food and ice cream??

I didn't even get a bloody sticker, either time, because I had mine done at the GP not a vax centre.

My husband blagged me a sticker to stop me complaining about it when he had his...

I didn't get a sticker either; just a leaflet I'm in Scotland so we don't have a card or anything either. Just a leaflet and shoved back out the door

I m always clicking random links @knittingaddict

manufactured illusion. Dr David Martin with Reiner Fuellmich 9/7/21 didn't watch it but that's the title

Does nobody at all find it odd that over 1000 deaths a short while after receiving the vaccine haven't been considered related to the vaccine, but any death within 28 days of a positive covid test has been counted as a covid death, regardless?

The numbers haven't been handled well and I truly don't blame people for not believing a word of it anymore and making their own choices.

Remember when people were dropping dead in the streets of China?

I've chosen not to.

I don't think the risks of covid (for me personally) are great enough to warrant me taking it.

@Canigooutyet

I m always clicking random links *@knittingaddict*

manufactured illusion. Dr David Martin with Reiner Fuellmich 9/7/21 didn't watch it but that's the title

I can see that, but I would like some idea about it's content. Is that too much to ask.

As for clicking on random links, I think that's possibly not wise.

Does nobody at all find it odd that over 1000 deaths a short while after receiving the vaccine haven't been considered related to the vaccine, but any death within 28 days of a positive covid test has been counted as a covid death, regardless?

The numbers who've had the vaccine are significantly higher than Covid infections. But you're right, which is why we're fortunate to have the backup of death certificates that mention Covid as a contributing factor which allow us to test the 28 day figure.

Agree the 28 day figure is a bit of a fudge - but it's a both-ways bet. Some will die of Covid much more than 28 days after a positive test, just as some will die of totally unrelated causes within the 28 days.

Just googled Dr David Martin and I'll give it a miss thanks. Another conspiracy theorist. No wonder the person linking it wouldn't say what it was about.

@squiglet111 I am not anti vaxx please do not categorise me. My child has been fully vaccinated and so am I. I am against an experimental drug that is being pushed down our throats for no apparent reason.
If you think it's alright to coerce people into having something done to their bodies without their consent then you are part of the problem. *

My favourite bit of this is ‘for no apparent reason’.

Though the straw man about consent is also pretty funny.

I must have missed all the people getting jabbed without their consent and the people on this thread enthusiastically supporting this.

I got a badge! Would have had my vaccine anyway, but I was very pleased to get it.

A BADGE. I am green with envy.

Almost all children and young people are at very low risk from COVID-19. Symptoms, when seen, are typically mild and fewer than 30 children have died because of COVID-19 in the UK as of March 2021.

The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is the only vaccine that has been authorised for children in the UK, for those aged 12 or older. This followed a US clinical trial in around 1,000 children aged 12 to 15 that found side effects in this group were generally short lived and mild to moderate.

Real-world data on the safety of COVID-19 vaccines in children is currently limited, but there have been extremely rare reports of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the membrane around the heart) following the use of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines in millions of younger adults.

Until more safety data is available and has been evaluated, a precautionary approach is preferred.

Professor Anthony Harnden, Deputy Chair of the JCVI, said:

The primary aim of the vaccination programme has always been to prevent hospitalisations and deaths. Based on the fact that previously well children, if they do get COVID-19, are likely to have a very mild form of the disease, the health benefits of vaccinating them are small.

The benefits of reducing transmission to the wider population from children are also highly uncertain, especially as vaccine uptake is very high in older people who are at highest risk from serious COVID-19 infection.

www.gov.uk/government/news/jcvi-issues-advice-on-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-and-young-people

Can anyone explain why the same isn't applied to healthy adults?

Knitting I only click unknown links when using a device that's not used for anything else.

@JassyRadlett

I feel short changed now; never even got a plaster when I got my vaccine! Where were these places with food and ice cream??

I didn't even get a bloody sticker, either time, because I had mine done at the GP not a vax centre.

My husband blagged me a sticker to stop me complaining about it when he had his...

I didn't get anything either.

Apparently in California they gave out free pre-rolled spliffs with the jab, which beats the Netherlands (free herring). Well, unless you really like herring I suppose.

@JassyRadlett

I think the important part of what you just cut and pasted is this:

“Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.”

So the data you’re quoting is qualified with the statement that the data does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.

However you stated that these people died of the vaccine.

Why?

Why? Why then 130 k dead from with Covid then? They also died within 28 days of being tested. That’s a very good question!

I have a table with a figure of who died from covid not with it, cannot find it on my phone at the moment, was also from gov uk

@IHTC exactly my logic and rationale as to why I've decided against having it. I just don't feel that the risks associated with the vaccine are worth it right now and I'm fit and healthy. I also believe I had covid before testing in the UK became commonplace and recovered quite quickly, although it was a pretty unpleasant experience.

I'd say I'm more 'vaccine hesitant'. My final decision on whether to take it or not will ultimately be based upon whether I can still travel on the basis of a negative test, and any new evidence which may come to light around the safety of the vaccine.

[quote covi]@squiglet111 The UK chief scientific advisor Patrick Vallance said that 60% of people being admitted to hospital with covid have had both doses of the vaccine.
Shall I continue? [/quote]
I popped onto the thread yesterday to warn you all of the dangers of seat belts.

I am now pleased to be able to share with you my latest research on the risks of tooth brushes.

I have brushed my teeth all my life, AND YET I have a filling. Last time I went to the dentist, he told me that 98% of the people needing treatment had brushed their teeth regularly. That's right - only 2% of the people who needed treatment had never brushed their teeth. Admittedly those people needed multiple extractions rather than a scale and polish, but my point still holds. You're more likely to need dental treatment if you brush your teeth than if you don't.

Oh, and don't bother to @ me. I'm a triple Nobel Prize winning rocket scientist, so I think I know what I'm talking about here, thank you very much. The rest of you can carry on brushing your teeth like sheep.

Why? Why then 130 k dead from with Covid then? They also died within 28 days of being tested. That’s a very good question!

No, how about you answer the question asked?

Why did you use a figure so dishonestly when the source material was specific that it did not mean what you used it to mean?

There's plenty written on the 28 day figure and as I said above it's imperfect - in both directions.

But meanwhile - why did you use that figure so misleadingly? Did you not read the source material, or were you intending to deceive?

I have a table with a figure of who died from covid not with it, cannot find it on my phone at the moment, was also from gov uk

Was it the one where it's mentioned on death certificates as a contributing factor? The death certificate figure is a lot higher.

Well done Jesus! I think your seat belt comparison was lost on most people but this one hits the spot! I will never clean my teeth again.

@Canigooutyet

Knitting I only click unknown links when using a device that's not used for anything else.

You have a special device for unknown links, get you

Remember when people were dropping dead in the streets of China?

I don't think this was ever real. People don't drop dead from this virus whilst walking about in the street. For some reason those videos were circulated on the 'net but I don't for one minute believe they were real.

@JassyRadlett

I got a badge! Would have had my vaccine anyway, but I was very pleased to get it.

A BADGE. I am green with envy.

Here it is.