Is anyone NOT getting the vaccine?

[JC2021]

Anyone on here choosing not to receive the covid-19 vaccine?

I am undecided, but resistant.

My reasons; you can still become infected and spread the virus. How sick you might become would depend on your immunity, your age/health.

So, in my mind the only good the vaccine 'may' do (no guarantees) is prevent you getting very ill. Although, even this is still not guaranteed.

So the vaccine may reduce the change of you becoming really ill.

Fully vaccinated people can still spread the virus unknowingly to others, the same as unvaccinated.

Views?

[quote covi]@squiglet111 do you still believe anything that is being said on bbc???! Are people still watching this one sided propaganda channel?
Brains anyone? [/quote]
#covi.... Well yes I believe the bbc! And other new platforms that I've read. How come are you believing the sources you are reading that makes you anti vaxx? Surely BBC is more trustworthy than your sources?

Yes! That’s correct but people who have “refused” the vaccine - they aren’t selfish, it’s their right!

Can you cite on this thread where I’ve said it wasn’t their right?

Almost 90 per cent are vaccinated with first dose, stop being pathetic

Can you explain why you’re calling me pathetic? Was it for pointing out an important nuance missing from your post?

@JassyRadlett

Would you tell it to 1400 who died from it?

Could you share your source for this figure, please?

Have a look here - p. 17 The MHRA has received 456 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 983 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, seven for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 24 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified. The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness. Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1003414/Coronavirus_vaccine_-summary_of_Yellow_Card_reporting_07.07.2021-_Clean.pdf

coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/

Have had it and double jabbed however feel totally conned and won't be having a booster. DP and most friends haven't had it either. I'm also CEV.

I think the important part of what you just cut and pasted is this:

“Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.”

So the data you’re quoting is qualified with the statement that the data does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.

However you stated that these people died of the vaccine.

Why?

@Hidehi4

It’s the fact that people think they are some kind of heros getting this vax and that they are invincible. Wait til places are open only for the vaxxed and we will get the real picture.

That's a fact is it?

Not here it isn't. I've had the vaccine for lots of reasons and none of them involved being a hero. I also don't feel remotely invincible. I've just done all I can and will continue to wear a mask and socially distance as much as possible. If I catch covid and die, at least I've done everything I can to help myself and the people around me. Thats all any of us can do.

@onceivepostedidontcomeback

Have had it and double jabbed however feel totally conned and won't be having a booster. DP and most friends haven't had it either. I'm also CEV.

Why do you feel conned?

Well said @Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

I don't believe a word the bbc are saying- you've been brainwashed and scared to the core

I have no words

@onceivepostedidontcomeback

Have had it and double jabbed however feel totally conned and won't be having a booster. DP and most friends haven't had it either. I'm also CEV.

In what way do you feel conned?

@bigvig There is no straightforward comparison between vaccination and antibiotics. The analogy you're attempting doesn't stand up to even thirty seconds' scrutiny, it's just more antivaxxer waffle.

No one can force you to get the Covid jab. But please stop spreading this toxic misinformation, as you will directly harm others by doing so.

@covi So what happens to your four-year-old if you die of Covid? Does that not count?

@JassyRadlett

I think the important part of what you just cut and pasted is this:

“Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.”

So the data you’re quoting is qualified with the statement that the data does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.

However you stated that these people died of the vaccine.

Why?

Thank you, Jassy. Quite worrying when people cherrypick like this.

If I understand correctly, what's happening here is that every time a doctor knows that a person had a vaccine shortly before they die, they report it, even when they know that what the person died of had absolutely nothing to do with the vaccine.

So if someone with cancer or heart disease or other serious illness gets vaccinated and dies of their illness not long afterwards, as was sadly already expected, their death goes into those stats.

If someone gets vaccinated and has the bad luck to have a car accident shortly afterwards and die of their injuries, their death goes into those stats.

If someone gets vaccinated and dies suddenly and unexpectedly shortly afterwards, and the post mortem shows that they had an undiagnosed aneurysm, their death goes into those stats.

Is this right?

@covi

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I'm slightly at a loss to even know where to begin with this but you must live in a very different world to the rest of us

There have been queues out of the door at all the vaccine places near me, the overwhelming majority of the population are quite happy to have the vaccine. None of them scared to the core, your points about the BBC are ludicrous

Children will not be routinely offered the vaccine.
www.gov.uk/government/news/jcvi-issues-advice-on-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-and-young-people

Looks like the booster is only going to the vulnerable.
www.gov.uk/government/news/most-vulnerable-could-be-offered-booster-covid-19-vaccines-from-september

Even if I could I would not have it and even less so now we are being told to get into busy places we have to have the passport. Which considering the majority will not be offered a booster why the passport?

And it is coercion. If enough youngsters get the vaccine the passport will not be introduced.

The same passport that has no justification

committees.parliament.uk/committee/327/public-administration-and-constitutional-affairs-committee/news/155788/no-justification-for-covid-passports-say-committee/

I have doubts about anyone who is genuinely CEV feeling 'conned'. What's that supposed to mean? Most people in this patient group have a completely different relationship with healthcare / medicine compared to the general public. Being in ITU or suffering life threatening complications is not a theoretical, tiny risk to us, and our own doctors are usually involved in guiding us in how to cope during the pandemic. So where is the con?

Anyone with the username 'covi' only posting on the coronavirus board is likely to have an agenda (I would suggest anti-vax). Feel free to report my post (it might bring more attention of this issue to MNHQ). I am very glad to be double jabbed.

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g This has long been an issue with reporting around vaccines, and it's something antivaxxers have been latching onto for years, sadly. The HPV vaccine has been a huge target - there are many medical conditions which appear during adolescence when that vaccine has often been given, and with the way that reporting works, some lay people became convinced that the vaccine was causing conditions that simply happened around the same time.

It's really sad to see how determined people are to undermine confidence in vaccines.

My DD had it, she is only 3 and wasn't hugely ill, fever for two days then gradual recovery over about a week. I am double jabbed and obviously wasn't social distancing from her, she was in my bed every night, having cuddles and reassurance. What's weird is the arm I had my vaccine in started to hurt again, this lasted maybe two days, then nothing. I didn't catch it.

I am against an experimental drug that is being pushed down our throats for no apparent reason.

Maybe you would feel more comfortable with a vaccine that is put in your arm? Ask your GP if this is possible. 😷

@covi

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The vaccine isn't been given to people without their consent. Most people are desperate to get it. The ones that don't won't it aren't getting forced.

I wouldn't call it bribing people by stating facts that the vaccine can save lives.... Up to people if they chose to believe in it or not.

The BBC are reporting everything good and bad. If the media were trying to keep the truth from us the we wouldn't be seeing the news about the risks of the vaccines as well as the benefits. So yes I am going to believe the BBC and the other mainstream news sites that are reporting the same things. I am not the one that is brainwashed..... Scared to the core.... My job doesn't allow me to be scared of covid as I've had to continue to mix throughout. No time to be scared. Glad I've now been double jabbed so the risks have been reduced for me

Sorry... Name changed ..

[quote Innocenta]@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g This has long been an issue with reporting around vaccines, and it's something antivaxxers have been latching onto for years, sadly. The HPV vaccine has been a huge target - there are many medical conditions which appear during adolescence when that vaccine has often been given, and with the way that reporting works, some lay people became convinced that the vaccine was causing conditions that simply happened around the same time.

It's really sad to see how determined people are to undermine confidence in vaccines. [/quote]
A friend of ours who is a statistician has always said that most people are very bad at judging risk. I know I probably am, as my statistical knowledge is rudimentary at best. I have to place my trust in the professionals, and as I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I genuinely believe the medical profession and scientists are doing their best in difficult circumstances to advise us, and coming to their conclusions on the basis of evidence, not anecdote.