Is anyone NOT getting the vaccine?

[JC2021]

Anyone on here choosing not to receive the covid-19 vaccine?

I am undecided, but resistant.

My reasons; you can still become infected and spread the virus. How sick you might become would depend on your immunity, your age/health.

So, in my mind the only good the vaccine 'may' do (no guarantees) is prevent you getting very ill. Although, even this is still not guaranteed.

So the vaccine may reduce the change of you becoming really ill.

Fully vaccinated people can still spread the virus unknowingly to others, the same as unvaccinated.

Views?

Flowerlane

People can become anti vaccination
Just because they’ve had previous vaccinations doesn’t mean they’re not anti vax now with the covid vax

The long term side effects of the vaccine are still unknown

Name any vaccination in history that has had side effects?

[quote Flowerlane]@HoliHormonalTigerlilly anti vaxxer has always been used to describe people who are against all vaccines not just one vaccine.

I have had a majority of vaccines that are available, just because I haven’t had this current vaccine doesn’t mean I’m a anti vaxxer.[/quote]
Yes, people who call a person who asks questions as anti vaxxer - I’m sorry but it just shows your unwillingness to even listen to an opposite view, read and learn from a various sources of info rather than to be spoon fed by media

Why are you against this vaccine specifically, @Flowerlane?

[quote Flowerlane]@HoliHormonalTigerlilly anti vaxxer has always been used to describe people who are against all vaccines not just one vaccine.

I have had a majority of vaccines that are available, just because I haven’t had this current vaccine doesn’t mean I’m a anti vaxxer.[/quote]
You are anti this vaccine.
If you try to influence others not to get it too then you are an anti vaxer.

These unscientific opinions people are still spouting are dangerous and will cost lives.

If enough people refuse the vaccine this will allow the disease to mutate more easily.

Sorry if you don't like the term. But your actions don't just affect you do they?

It makes me really angry to think of all those poor people who have lost their lives, the grieving families & doctors & nurses who have been through hell this last year and a half.

Not to mention the millions of people in developing countries who don't have access to vaccines & would jump at the chance.

Grow up. Read some real science. And check your privilege!

Of course HoliHormonalTigerLily...no ill side effect has ever been caused by any vaccine...all the injuries have been pure coincidences. The NHS has needlesly set up the vaccine injury compensation scheme. Why, even the vaccine manufacturers themselves who declare rare but severe side effects (such as meningitis, seizures, sepsis etc) of certain vaccines are wrong! These are all coincidendes. You should really tell them.

@ivykaty44

Flowerlane

People can become anti vaccination
Just because they’ve had previous vaccinations doesn’t mean they’re not anti vax now with the covid vax

That’s completely different. Yes people can become anti vaxxers even after having all vaccinations previously, but refusing one vaccine is not a anti vaxxer.

I am booked in for a different vaccine (not covid) in a few weeks so am not against vaccines just because I have chosen not to have the covid vaccine at this stage.

@JC2021

Anyone on here choosing not to receive the covid-19 vaccine?

I am undecided, but resistant.

My reasons; you can still become infected and spread the virus. How sick you might become would depend on your immunity, your age/health.

So, in my mind the only good the vaccine 'may' do (no guarantees) is prevent you getting very ill. Although, even this is still not guaranteed.

So the vaccine may reduce the change of you becoming really ill.

Fully vaccinated people can still spread the virus unknowingly to others, the same as unvaccinated.

Views?

My husband and child have just had COVID 19. I managed to resist- I think this is because I am vaccinated. My husband had it reasonably mildly - again because he is vaccinated. My child was initially really quite unwell - unvaccinated. To me it is absolutely clear, please have the vaccine unless you really can't.

God chooses you to die you have no control

Still I know vulnerable family members who's stomach hasn't been right since the vaccine- it caused IBS.

Make up your mind it’s either science or god
.

I don't understand your views. Yes you can still get it even when vaccinated, but getting covid after both jabs means that the illness is less severe. It basically reduces the risk of you dying. In hospitals the most people that are dying are the unvaxed covid suffers. Yes, it's to do with your immune system, but if your immune system is bad and you are unvaxed, you are more likely to die from covid. If you have two jabs of the vaccine then there is less chance of you dying from it.

Flowerlane So your not against having the covid vax ?

doesn’t mean they’re not anti vax now with the covid vax

@HoliHormonalTigerlilly I have NEVER spouted anything about being against the covid vaccine and never will in real life or behind a keyboard. I don’t read shit theories either. I believe everyone has a choice and I have made mine.

I also lost elderly family members to covid last year we wasn’t even allowed to go to the funerals. I have also worked throughout in a really tough industry. So yes I have suffered just like everyone else.

@Emmmie

Of course HoliHormonalTigerLily...no ill side effect has ever been caused by any vaccine...all the injuries have been pure coincidences. The NHS has needlesly set up the vaccine injury compensation scheme. Why, even the vaccine manufacturers themselves who declare rare but severe side effects (such as meningitis, seizures, sepsis etc) of certain vaccines are wrong! These are all coincidendes. You should really tell them.

4 million people have died of C19. How many died because of the vaccine? It's just maths 🤷🏻‍♀️

@Mistyplanet

Im not getting it. Im 33 and the risk of death from covid for me is low. The long term side effects of the vaccine are still unknown. I know people double jabbed still getting it so it seems pointless to me unless you are a vulnerable person. Still I know vulnerable family members who's stomach hasn't been right since the vaccine- it caused IBS. Just don't want one and I don't like the way everyone's been forced into it. On a deeper philosophical level... everyone will die of something. If you dont die of corona something else will kill you eventually and I accept death as the only thing certain about life. I believe in life after death though and I believe in God. I believe whenever God chooses you to die you have no control of despite all the vaccines you might think will help you- your death is pre written.

God expects you to use the resources sent to you, not to indulge in fantasies of predetermination. Fatalism eliminates responsibility for our actions, but humans have free will, and with that comes a responsibility to take decisions for the benefit of yourself and others. Galatians 5:13 - You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.

The Pope has said it's a moral duty to be vaccinated:
www.ncronline.org/news/vatican/pope-francis-suggests-people-have-moral-obligation-take-coronavirus-vaccine.
Church of England bishops have encouraged all followers to be vaccinated:
www.churchofengland.org/news-and-media/news-and-statements/bishops-lead-churches-call-take-covid-vaccine.
Baptists and Imams have opened up their buildings for covid vaccine centres, to get as many as possible vaccinated.

@ivykaty44

The long term side effects of the vaccine are still unknown

Name any vaccination in history that has had side effects?

Everything has side effects. No, we don't know if the vaccine will have long term side effects. But we think it's unlikely. Why? Because of everything we know about biology. The covid vaccines are a technological wonder, but they are not a wild guess. We know what they do, how they work, how the body responds to them. True, we don't understand everything about the human body, so unexpected side effects are a possibility. But we understand a lot about human biology, so it's unlikely they will do something unexpected. We don't know if covid will have long side effects, but we think it's likely, based on what we are seeing so far and everything we know about biology. I think the choice should be very clear.

The science is much more divided on the vacinne than you would know if you only read the mainstream press - I don't mean random blogs I mean studies published in major scientific journals and books published. I'm not anti-vaccination. My children both have all their vaccinations.

I am anti mass vacinnation of healthy people for a flu type virus. Viruses mutate and they find a way around whatever we as people do - just like antibiotics. The overuse of antibiotics has resulted in superbugs like MRSA which are big killers.

Natural immunity in healthy people is more adaptable and long lasting than vacinne immunity. This has been accepted fact right up until this pandemic. Do you notice how the authorities are rolling back from screaming about vacinne immunity being stronger and the narrative has now changed to you can still get covid but it won't be as bad.

I have not taken the decision not to get this vacinne lightly. I did not decide not to take the flu vacinne lightly. If the authorities are to be believed I am putting myself and my children in more danger than anyone else by this choice.

I believe this is a potentially dangerous money making exercise. Big pharmacutical companies have history for this kind of thing. Look up Johnson and Johnson, Pfizer and the opioid scandal. These companies have been found guilty of putting profits before public health and of hundreds of thousands of related deaths in courts of law. The biggest lobby group for government is big pharma. Why is the vacinne patented if this is really about saving the world?

Where animals have receive mass vacinnations this has been seen to backfire and variants occur making a flu type virus more potent. We have increased the use of a flu vacinne in this country over recent years. Flu deaths have not gone down - except for this year where it has very suspiciously 'disappeared'.

You can't vacinnate against a virus which mutates. Many many doctors and scientists agree. Why are we not allowed to debate this without someone yelling granny killer at you.

'Those who would give up liberty for security will get neither' Benjamin Franklin

@squiglet111

I don't understand your views. Yes you can still get it even when vaccinated, but getting covid after both jabs means that the illness is less severe. It basically reduces the risk of you dying. In hospitals the most people that are dying are the unvaxed covid suffers. Yes, it's to do with your immune system, but if your immune system is bad and you are unvaxed, you are more likely to die from covid. If you have two jabs of the vaccine then there is less chance of you dying from it.

Do you have a link to your claim please? Re hospital deaths? As all official government info is saying there more vaccinated deaths at the moment?

[quote Tiari]**@uktrippin
Who is anxious? I know I'm not, I'm delighted.

And yet you're on this thread which is specifically for posters who are NOT getting the jab.

Just come on to convince yourself that you're not anxious, in fact delighted.
Oh, ok then.[/quote]
Because if we let this thread become an echo chamber for people who are not having the vaccine it would be full of misinformation perpetuated by the misinformed. I admire those who still have the energy and will to counteract the bs being spread around on the internet. I just tend to roll my eyes a lot (and no, that's not a symptom of the covid vaccine).

heyhoyi your images are unreadable.

berrylands You avoided answering the question with a

Well everything has side effects

Can you actually answer the question and state which vaccination in history has had side effects?

Bigvig, a lot of what you're saying is making sense, but be prepared to be labeled an anti-waxxer so that everything you said can be easily dismissed and never discussed.

I just tend to roll my eyes a lot (and no, that's not a symptom of the covid vaccine)

Lol @knittingaddict 🙄😂

@knittingaddict

heyhoyi your images are unreadable.

If you Google for a newer technical paper like this one assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/993879/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_15.pdf

Think briefing 17 - more deaths in vaccinated people, and I know it’s partly from most of population being jabbed now

I believe everyone has a choice and I have made mine.

That’s still going to get you labelled as against the covid vaccination, which I turn is anti, against having the jab

@ivykaty44

I believe everyone has a choice and I have made mine.

That’s still going to get you labelled as against the covid vaccination, which I turn is anti, against having the jab

Seems so…but only according to mumsnet