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96 dead today...

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Homeontherangeuk · 20/07/2021 16:26

But Boris knows what he's doing...

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MarshaBradyo · 23/07/2021 08:04

its very simple.

Same goes for us agreeing it’s annoying.

Scroll on by if you don’t like our comments.

MarshaBradyo · 23/07/2021 08:06

@sirfredfredgeorge

Is 1000 hospitalisations per day worse for us than 700? Yes. Could we get it down to 700? Maybe. Could we get it down to 500? Maybe

We don't have enough information.

1000 hospitalisations a day for 5 days.
500 hospitalisations a day for 50 days.

Yes it’s worth looking at what delay means in terms of overall numbers.
lannistunut · 23/07/2021 08:10

@TheKeatingFive

Is 1000 hospitalisations per day worse for us than 700? Yes.

Not necessarily if it means getting a peak over sooner and fewer hospitalisations in October/November.

This keeps being said by those in favour of higher infections now but there's no evidence this is the outcome we would get.

Those in favour of high infections have no data. They are entitled to theor preference, but it isn't rational or scientific, just an emotional preference. It is based on nothing but pure hope.

Lockdownbear · 23/07/2021 08:11

@Horehound

Do people think there will be zero deaths? It's not realistic.
This!

Covid isn't going away. People died of flu every winter but we don't close the country down.

jasjas1973 · 23/07/2021 08:14

@MarshaBradyo

its very simple.

Same goes for us agreeing it’s annoying.

Scroll on by if you don’t like our comments.

I normally do, especially with folk who have zero argument.

But i don't like bullies and thats what some do to posters on this and other threads when stuff is written that they don't agree with.

MarshaBradyo · 23/07/2021 08:17

Alright JasJas

Many posters have said same re that poster.

Many are fed up with it. You are not for whatever reason but given others are you’ll just have to carry on trying to police as you are. I don’t really care.

lannistunut · 23/07/2021 08:17

We would lockdown for flu if flu was preventing other NHS services being delivered.

It is a simple numbers game. Covid is more of a risk to the functioning of the NHS than flu, that is all.

Delatron · 23/07/2021 08:18

I don’t think it’s our Covid strategy that we will go down in history for but our shocking treatment of children. Forcing them to isolate for multiple periods, not allowing healthy children to leave the house and get exercise or see their friends and miss huge amounts of their education.

History won’t look back in us favourably on that count at all.

Especially with the new study out today saying isolating contacts in children was basically a massive waste of time. Yet the consequences on their physical and mental health has been huge.

We can’t really compare countries yet can we? Or should we ever considering all countries have completely different challenges and demographics.

MarshaBradyo · 23/07/2021 08:18

@lannistunut

We would lockdown for flu if flu was preventing other NHS services being delivered.

It is a simple numbers game. Covid is more of a risk to the functioning of the NHS than flu, that is all.

What restrictions do you want and for how long?
DottyHarmer · 23/07/2021 08:37

@NannyAndJohn - your posts are overtly political and you invariably end your posts with some comment that implies that f only Boris were not in charge we would be that unique nation which was problem free.

Saying that we created Alpha and let Delta spread…. Are you unable to remember where this virus originated ? Can you recall the situation in Italy ?

No, you are blinkered and have a one-note mission. I bet you dream that Boris himself had invented the virus…. Anyway, these are coronavirus threads - if you are on some sort of Mission Momentum then post in the Politics section.

TheKeatingFive · 23/07/2021 08:43

They are entitled to theor preference, but it isn't rational or scientific, just an emotional preference. It is based on nothing but pure hope.

Nope.

It’s coming from the modelling that influenced Chris Whitty’s position.

I’m not in a position to verify that model, however if you’re saying my position is based on nothing but pure hope, then so is his.

TheVampiresWife · 23/07/2021 08:45

@NannyAndJohn

Yep. We'll be forever known as the country that created Alpha and let Delta spread all around the world.

Will be interesting to see if Johnson ends up next to the likes of Franco and Mussolini in the history books.

How did we let Delta spread all around the world, given it had already done its spreading to get here?

And a country doesn't 'create' a variant, the virus does.

lannistunut · 23/07/2021 08:50

We are tracking at the 95th line on that model, so presumably Whitty is revising every day.

TheKeatingFive · 23/07/2021 08:52

Well of course. That’s his job.

starlight13 · 23/07/2021 09:03

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voucheRs · 23/07/2021 09:09

@TheVampiresWife

Precisely.

If any country needs looking at its China, seems we are the scapegoat. Let’s ignore the origins and pike the blame on the U.K.

voucheRs · 23/07/2021 09:09

*pile

lannistunut · 23/07/2021 09:10

On the modelling it is important to remember that he government did not include any models that did not have full lifting. So the timing of full lifting was under discussion but not full lifting vs retaining step three or some mid way point. Data in -> data out.

The government has chosen high infections over low infections, so also high hospitalisations and high deaths.

We had lower death/hospitalisations policy options available but unmodelled, and therefore not included in the comparison. That is because Johnson had decided on freedom day for political reasons.

The high infections policy is a straightforward political gamble borne of necessity as Tory party would no longer back restrictions. The PM's gambles failed the first, second and third times, but maybe this time he will cash in. This does not make it a sound policy choice.

This is what I mean about hope - there is nothing backing up this policy beyond the PM's personal preference to risk more deaths for fewer restrictions.

Current real data tracking shows the model was an under estimate of the problems we would face, which is why Whitty was heard talking about restrictions possibly being back in August (presumably if we end up with a graph bad enough), so in three-four weeks we will see where we are.

IloveSooty424 · 23/07/2021 09:18

@starlight13

What is worrying is that they know it is not the vaccine that is reducing the number of deaths, it is that we have had 18 months now to try different treatments in hospital and it is those drugs etc which are reducing the deaths. But hey ho, they've successfully worked out who will be guinea pigs and who us happy to be jabbed up with anything going.
What nonsense. There was data out a few days ago that showed the having the AZ vaccine reduced your chances of contracting symptomatic Covid by 68%. It was slightly higher for Pfizer. This was for the Delta variant. The vaccine is therefore absolutely saving lives. I’m glad I’ve had mine.
TheVampiresWife · 23/07/2021 09:22

@starlight13

What is worrying is that they know it is not the vaccine that is reducing the number of deaths, it is that we have had 18 months now to try different treatments in hospital and it is those drugs etc which are reducing the deaths. But hey ho, they've successfully worked out who will be guinea pigs and who us happy to be jabbed up with anything going.
They know that, do they Hmm

(Completely ignoring the fact that the vaccines reduce the risk of hospitalisation by up to 96%, so the overwhelming majority of vaccinated people don't get to the point where they need 'different treatments in hospital' in the first place. For what you claim to be true tens of thousands of people would be receiving hospital treatment at any given time.)

weddread · 23/07/2021 09:25

@lannistunut I believe it's widely known that Chris Whitty was misquoted?

DottyHarmer · 23/07/2021 09:29

I don’t understand any strategy which replies on 100% vaccination. Hypothetically we should have every adult in the UK vaccinated by the end of August. But just on MN there is a steady stream of refusers, let alone in the general population. Even if you get 90% vaccinated, that’s still 10% not, and that 10% is concentrated in areas with the highest density of population and close living arrangements.

And of course children and teens are not vaccinated, and perhaps will not be, so that’s another significant percentage unvaccinated.

Therefore a zero covid strategy is absolutely impossible.

There are those who don’t want/rate vaccines and want zero covid. They need their heads examined as they don’t understand what a permanent full lockdown really looks like, or what implications it has.

foxandbee · 23/07/2021 09:31

@starlight13

What is worrying is that they know it is not the vaccine that is reducing the number of deaths, it is that we have had 18 months now to try different treatments in hospital and it is those drugs etc which are reducing the deaths. But hey ho, they've successfully worked out who will be guinea pigs and who us happy to be jabbed up with anything going.
OK @starlight13, can you cite your sources for this claim? A Facebook post? Twitter? A YouTube video?

Shame on you for trying to spread misinformation when we are in a very precarious position.

foxandbee · 23/07/2021 09:35

I think the proportion of anti-vaxxers on MN is higher than in real life, @DottyHarmer. At least I hope so.

Tuba437 · 23/07/2021 09:36

@TheKeatingFive

Is 1000 hospitalisations per day worse for us than 700? Yes.

Not necessarily if it means getting a peak over sooner and fewer hospitalisations in October/November.

Absolutely this. It seems people like @Tealightsandd and @NannyAndJohn don't get it. Just for example and not using real figures. JVT has suggest we can open up now and have say 10k deaths between now and the winter and 1000 of them be covid. Or we can delay and open up near the winter and have say 20k deaths and only 500 be covid. (Completely made up numbers just to make the point )

These posters don't think of the wider picture and only covid matters to them and as long as those deaths or low they don't care.