96 dead today...

[Homeontherangeuk]

But Boris knows what he's doing...

Nearly 100% of the deaths of all ages in America, where it's mostly mRNA (Pfizer and Moderna) are in the unvaccinated. The vast majority - something like 97% - of those ill enough to be hospitalised are unvaccinated (or only partially vaccinated).

From the Guardian article:

findings support plans for a booster campaign this autumn, particularly for those who were vaccinated early and with the Oxford/AstraZeneca shot.

I think it would be helpful to know, re the fully vaccinated hospitalisations and deaths in the UK, which vaccine they had.

Have I misread?

The data from Israel (and the US) is reassuring. For Pfizer and Moderna.

Fully vaccinated might be having breakthrough infections - but Pfizer and Moderna are working, in that they're preventing hospitalisations and death.

It looks like it might be a good idea to booster jab the elderly (particularly over 80s) who had Pfizer, but perhaps more urgently boosters for people, especially the elderly and vulnerable, who had astrazeneca.

Almost everyone I know over 50 had AZ including over 70s and ECV.
We will definitely still be taking precautions until booster time.

It's wise to take sensible precautions, I think. It's still good to have had it. AZ offers reasonable protection - and it's definitely better than no vaccine at all. It's only that it's not as effective as the mRNA vaccines. It would probably be less of an issue if we were, like other countries, taking mitigation measures.

Perhaps, fingers crossed, we won't be relying on Pfizer and Moderna alone for booster supplies. AZ are currently working on boosters - tweaked to work better against newer strains. Including, I think, Beta. Hopefully the trial results will go well.

@cleocleo16 in real life I don't know anyone who was unaffected in some way by it. I also don't know anyone in real lie screaming for restrictions to continue.
A couple of relatives live on their own and had a terrible time but they never complained as could see it was a necessary evil.
Other worked throughout in KW roles, caught COVID. One still has symptoms.
DH was shielding which was pretty shit.
Other found homeschooling incredibly difficult whilst trying to work full time.
I could go on.
In fact probably the only people who I believe didn't suffer were the two people who think it a scamdemic as pretty much lived their lives as normal as they could.
Only anecdotal of course but nobody has expressed a desire to continue with restrictions.

All very positive @Tealightsandd

It really feels like we are living in future history innso much as we will only know, once we look back on this in years.

I used to feel more secure knowing I had covid and it was mild. I then felt a bit better knowing I was doubled vaxxed. But who knows?

I am keeping my mask on in shops and crossing my fingers.

Definitely with the history thing. You know when you study history and look at particular periods in time and major events. And one or several countries are The Baddies. With the SARS-Cov-2 pandemic, the baddie is the UK. The country that took action that will kill and disable many of its own people.

Yep. We'll be forever known as the country that created Alpha and let Delta spread all around the world.

Will be interesting to see if Johnson ends up next to the likes of Franco and Mussolini in the history books.

The same country that doesn't allow smoking in public indoor spaces, because... erm, personal responsibility... Oh no, sorry. No, no personal responsibility afterall.

The country that hasn't legalised assisted suicide (many other more enlightened counties allow it). Not allowed because (apparently) 'life is precious'...

@NannyAndJohn

Yep. We'll be forever known as the country that created Alpha and let Delta spread all around the world.

Will be interesting to see if Johnson ends up next to the likes of Franco and Mussolini in the history books.

He's no Churchill, that's for sure.

We'll be forever known as the country that created Alpha and let Delta spread all around the world

You’re just trying to provoke at this point,

Shame we have to read posts like this.

I’m sure we started the whole pandemic and Delta started here too

Oh hang on.

Honestly such a load of bollocks it’s just attention seeking.

To be fair the UK's reputation has been mildly trashed by the covid response, it does actually matter if all other serious leaders look at the PM like .

Honestly some revel in it.

We’ll see what happens but we had similar criticism when we used AZ in over 65.

Everyone was apparently

I don't agree with almost any of the way Boris has handles the pandemic but what's the alternative?

You can't suppress the delta variant, we have been in lockdown for 4 weeks now (sydney) and cases are still rising (albeit smallish numbers) but today's presser pretty much said we will be remaining in lockdown until the vaccine is rolled out. They have detected Covid in sewage across the whole state including a number of places where no cases are reported. It's everywhere.

Rolling back restrictions won't do any good with the level of cases you have.

If deaths (not that any are acceptable) are still in double digits when your cases are that high then the vaccine is doing what we hoped it would do, reducing deaths and hospitalisation, it was never expected to eradicate.

Honestly such a load of bollocks it’s just attention seeking.

Oh I know. They’re just on the wind up at this stage, surely no one could be that stupid.

@beingsunny

The alternative is handling it properly!

Take one tiny thing. This week the government is flapping about changing policies on self-isolation multiple times per DAY. The alternative to that would have been to work this out a week before they unlocked as it was pretty obvious if cases rises and lots of people have to isolate we will have a problem.

The alternative is normal, functioning government.

I think Dominic Cummings is an arse, but his description of Johnson as an out of control.shopping trolley rings true.

The alternative is a PM with an attention span longer than a toddler.

Is 1000 hospitalisations per day worse for us than 700? Yes. Could we get it down to 700? Maybe. Could we get it down to 500? Maybe. Can we get it down to zero? No.

It is a false dichotomy to say zero hospitalisations Vs fuck it who cares.

We'll be forever known as the country that created Alpha and let Delta spread all around the world

Came on here for a laugh and got it - thanks Nanny

@NannyAndJohn we 'let' Delta spread around the world....?!

It got into countries with closed borders? So how is that the UKs fault?

And do you blame India for 'creating' Delta?

And forever known as the country that created Aplha? What about Brazil? South Africa? Or you know, China??

What will be studied in history is the effect this had on people's mental health and ability to move past it.

Yep Keating it’s about landing in a thread and getting requoted but it’s irritating shame we have to put up with it all the time.

Iannis to lower numbers what restrictions would you keep and when would you lift them?

Is 1000 hospitalisations per day worse for us than 700? Yes. Could we get it down to 700? Maybe. Could we get it down to 500? Maybe

We don't have enough information.

1000 hospitalisations a day for 5 days.
500 hospitalisations a day for 50 days.

@sirfredfredgeorge

Is 1000 hospitalisations per day worse for us than 700? Yes. Could we get it down to 700? Maybe. Could we get it down to 500? Maybe

We don't have enough information.

1000 hospitalisations a day for 5 days.
500 hospitalisations a day for 50 days.

I think everyone knows it won't be five days!

This is like something Charles Walker would say but it is just magical thinking as we've a long way to go before it 'burns out' if ever, predictions are for problems through autumn.

@MarshaBradyo

Yep Keating it’s about landing in a thread and getting requoted but it’s irritating shame we have to put up with it all the time.

Iannis to lower numbers what restrictions would you keep and when would you lift them?

People are entitled to their opinions and/or post what they like within MN rules, its not up to u to police this is or bully folk from posting.

Scroll on, don't read it, its very simple.

Is 1000 hospitalisations per day worse for us than 700? Yes.

Not necessarily if it means getting a peak over sooner and fewer hospitalisations in October/November.