Govt realises that loads of people getting covid might actually be an issue

[noblegiraffe]

Sam Coates of Sky News is tweeting that Whitehall is getting concerned about the sheer number of people who will be having to isolate in the coming days, some from getting covid, and some from having to isolate.

"One source said gvt modelling done under Hancock suggested this scale cd potentially compromise transport and healthcare"

"One government source called this another lockdown by the back door"

twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1413224477450817536?s=21

Apparently the plan is to make the app less sensitive so that fewer people have to isolate.

Stopping isolations increases infections so not necessarily a great solution.

I'm sure all the planning is well in hand though.

Nobody is suggesting lockdown are they?

Or do they just want immunity in children by whatever route?

They need immunity in kids for ‘herd immunity’ for the population.

Robert Dingwall, a sociologist on the Joint Committee of Vaccinations and Immunisations who has been posting on twitter about how it is unethical to vaccinate children for the benefit of others said on Sky News “ It may sound like a hard and callous thing to say, but every person who gets infected is taking us towards that target of a level of population immunity where the virus just runs out of people to infect”

I’m not sure how he considers it more ethical to deliberately infect people for the benefit of others.

@Notonthestairs

Nobody is suggesting lockdown are they?

So what are people suggesting if they want to stop and reverse the current increasing infection rates? Keeping masks and SD isn't going to do it - rates are rising faster than ever even with masks and SD for the last few weeks.

We're going to hit 100k infections per day if we keep masks and SD, we'll get there maybe just a few days sooner if we scrap masks and SD.

So if people want to avoid 100k infections per day, what is their answer? How many of the recent relaxations do they want to reverse? Would they prefer to ban foreign travel, close pubs/restaurants, or what?

I’m not sure how he considers it more ethical to deliberately infect people for the benefit of others.

Quite. They may as well just inject all the children with Covid and have done with it. Framing infection as the responsible and ethical choice is pretty despicable.

50% of Britain's want Freedom day delayed apparently according to latest reports. As Boris at al governs by deed poll. I'm fully expecting plans to change... or to be watered down drastically to save face.

So what are people suggesting if they want to stop and reverse the current increasing infection rates?

If we look at the infection rates we can see it’s rising in school children, so closing schools will help there. Good thing 6 weeks of closed schools is already planned.

Rises in rates also linked to the football, so stopping large groups congregating to watch the football will help - oh, that’s already sorted from tomorrow.

The other group it’s rising massively in is the group who should be currently getting their vaccinations. So not removing restrictions which would put that group into nightclubs and instead massively focussing on getting them vaccinated before doing so would probably be a good idea.

@noblegiraffe

Michael Yeadon was a scientific researcher and vice president at drugs giant Pfizer Inc.

Yes, and now he's saying that vaccines are an attempt at global mass depopulation.

@vegas888

Yeadon is absolutely unhinged, his colleagues at pfizer say they "don't recognise him anymore"

He has made a bizarre series of rambling claims including the primary purpose of the vaccination is to get everyone "on a database" (doesn't explain how or why anyone in power would want this) and also simultaneously to kill everyone off. According to him anyone who's taken it will be dead in two years.

@Foobydoo

On top of that they are thinking of charging for lateral flow tests.

Tories gonna tory

The more the government does, the more attractive a move to Scotland appears to me to be completely honest. If anyone is old enough to remember Black Adder Goes Forth? I think General Melchett has been the inspiration for the current leadership

www.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/jul/11/should-all-contacts-of-covid-cases-go-into-self-isolation

Article does not mention schools (as usual adults forgetting the children) but clearly if cases are high in schools and this is a cause for concern, then vaccinate the pupils before September or this hell will continue.

Articles does however clearly imply that self-isolation should no longer apply to the double vaccinated.

They’ve already said that kids won’t have to isolate even if they are a close contact from August.

That’s their plan for schools. No mitigation measures, no isolations. Let covid spread.

Jennie Harries admitted that they had done no modelling on the impact of this.

Since statistically cases numbers among close contacts are low, and by exptrapolation even lower among self-isolating school children because the numbers forced to self-isolate due to one positive case are maybe 200-300% higher than the numbers forced to self-isolate for one positive case in the general population (this article states less than 10 for one positive in the general population, but in a school it could be several hundred - so the statistical figure of corresponding positive cases in those self-isolating must logically be even more dilute).

Even more reason to vaccinated those pupils over 12 then.
Why are the unions not pushing for this.
That is more likely to happen and probably more effective than an open window.
If the unions pushed for vaccination of secondary school pupils (vaccine already approved for their use), it would make a huge difference.

The data are in that article. Double-vaccinated secondary school pupils will contract less covid and transmit less covid.
The unions have played a huge role in current policy regarding restrictions on pupils, so they really need to get behind the (voluntary) vaccination of the over 12 year olds and stop trying to go backwards to simply locking them up.

but in a school it could be several hundred

That’s the narrative the govt is pushing however their own figures showed that before Christmas the average number isolating per case in secondary was more like 22 kids than a whole year group. We don’t know what it is now because they have stopped publishing that data.

The unions have played a huge role in current policy regarding restrictions on pupils

Eh? What restrictions? No masks, no social distancing, an open window if you’re lucky?

Lord Farquuard

The unions have played a huge role in current policy regarding restrictions on pupils

You have to be bloody joking! The government has ignored the unions all along!

@namechanger21oops

The more the government does, the more attractive a move to Scotland appears to me to be completely honest. If anyone is old enough to remember Black Adder Goes Forth? I think General Melchett has been the inspiration for the current leadership

So you think Scotland is better? They have more infections at the moment than the rest of the UK per 100,000 population.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-40ac92b1-1750-4e86-9936-2cda6b0acb3f

Article from BBC today explaining why all measures should be kept but as it was ‘hidden away’ I doubt it’ll have an impact. The Gov just seems to have lost all control/hope at containing the new variant and just think ‘fuck it’.

When has the Government listened to the trade unions? The BMA were recently accused of being in cahoots with PPE manufacturers (yes Andrew Bridgen retracted that comment - what fuckwit).

Most media owners can't abide trade unions so any messaging gets warped and misrepresented.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

The unions have played a huge role in current policy regarding restrictions on pupils

You have to be bloody joking! The government has ignored the unions all along!

Not true.

The government opened schools for a day in January because the unions said that it was a very bad idea to open schools.

There needs to be an open discussion on the idiot box by the mainstream about all the FOIs confirming the labs are amplifying PCRs at 40-45 cycles.
That's it.