Govt realises that loads of people getting covid might actually be an issue

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Sam Coates of Sky News is tweeting that Whitehall is getting concerned about the sheer number of people who will be having to isolate in the coming days, some from getting covid, and some from having to isolate.

"One source said gvt modelling done under Hancock suggested this scale cd potentially compromise transport and healthcare"

"One government source called this another lockdown by the back door"

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Apparently the plan is to make the app less sensitive so that fewer people have to isolate.

Stopping isolations increases infections so not necessarily a great solution.

I'm sure all the planning is well in hand though.

The government's latest bright idea is to stop self-isolation for NHS staff.
All the NHS staff I know uninstalled the app months ago. If you spend your day treating Covid patients, you don't need an app to tell you that you've been exposed - no shit sherlock.

The reason many NHS staff I know have been absent due to Covid in the past few weeks is to look after their DC who have been sent home from school to self-isolate due their school bubbles bursting.

If double-jabbed NHS staff who are exposed to Covid are allowed not to self-isolate then go and treat very vulnerable patients in hospital, why shouldn't the general population who typically don't come into contact with such vulnerable people not also avoid self-isolation if double-jabbed. That would solve the looming self-isolation problem more generally and logically.

A lot of people isolating are doing so in order to avoid going to work and doing other stuff that they don't much fancy doing. Covid is a good "reason" to stay at home.

You think people with Covid are isolating at home because they can't be bothered going to work?

@Bovrilly

A lot of people isolating are doing so in order to avoid going to work and doing other stuff that they don't much fancy doing. Covid is a good "reason" to stay at home.

You think people with Covid are isolating at home because they can't be bothered going to work?

Some of them, yes. Not all of them, obviously.

If MN is to be believed, it's as if someone in the government flicked a switch that turned thousands of brains off all at once.

Covid is no more of a threat than being run over - and especially not if people have been doubly vaccinated.

That being the case, we need to stop banging on about it, and get on with our lives.

You think people with Covid are isolating at home because they can't be bothered going to work?

Some of them, yes. Not all of them, obviously.

Really? People with Covid, who have tested positive, are using it as an excuse to skive off and should just go back to work?

Sorry - I may have misunderstood, @singingstones. I was thinking more of the people who are isolating because they have been in contact with someone who has tested positive.

(Though even if I had a positive test, I'd have to work, because I can't afford not to - self-employed).

I think the answer to that one is that vulnerable sick people in hospital deserve not to being treated by people who've been close contacts and are not isolating and relying on a piece of shit lft that even the US have stopped using because they're shit to say if they're infected or not.

Would you want your mum having her chemo administered by someone who might be infected?

You didn't see the photos from New York City in 2020 then @RonaLisa?

20,000 New Yorkers died of covid in a period of two months.

Burials took place in mass graves when the hastily set up refrigerated truck morgues at every hospital couldn't keep bodies for more than 15 days because of new deaths and the need to process the corpses. People couldn't get through to funeral directors to instruct them to go and pick up their loved ones' bodies for a funeral.

For those lucky enough to reclaim a body, crematoria in the city operated 24/7. Some crematoria ovens malfunctioned because they are not designed to operate at 1800F constantly, with no cool-down time.

But yes, everyone who is born dies, and if not covid then something else will eventually carry us all off.

@safariboot

Through the whole pandemic we've been doing the equivalent of only taking half the antibiotics. The more people are infected the sooner the virus will evolve. Even with most of the population vaccinated and control measures Delta is still spreading. It may only be a matter of time before a variant evolves to infect the millions of vaccinated people.

Several times during the pandemic the British government has allowed the virus to spread because they didn't think it was a problem. That's reckless in the extreme.

Surely the vaccinated could always catch it and pass it on anyway as we keep being told. I'm double vaxxed and I currently have Covid

@Bovrilly

A lot of people isolating are doing so in order to avoid going to work and doing other stuff that they don't much fancy doing. Covid is a good "reason" to stay at home.

You think people with Covid are isolating at home because they can't be bothered going to work?

yeh, its the same mentality that calls the furloughed 'scroungers' and think the disabled are claiming benefits because they're lazy.

Possibly better suited to the daily mail comments section than MN.

@RonaLisa

Sorry - I may have misunderstood, *@singingstones*. I was thinking more of the people who are isolating because they have been in contact with someone who has tested positive.

(Though even if I had a positive test, I'd have to work, because I can't afford not to - self-employed).

I think the issue may go beyond isolating after contact with someone positive if we're looking at 100,000 new cases a day. So 700,000 people diagnosed per week and having to isolate for two weeks, 1.4M people isolating at once. No wonder they're going off the idea of making us isolate after contact, there'd be no one left to do any work. But then if contacts don't isolate there will be even more cases. Hmm it's almost as if it's not such a good idea to let it rip.

Can I point out something

Preppers are not hoarders. Preppers are exactly what the name suggests. They don't buy as soon as something bad happens, they buy little and often before the bad thing happens. So that when it happens they don't have to go to the shop and panic buy because they are ready. There are alot more preppers now than there were pre covid because people are seeing the need to be prepared.

As far as covid and cases go, check out Jersey. They have gone up by about 900 cases in the space of a few weeks and have taken away 90% of restrictions.

They have had to do away with isolation for direct contacts because there are so many cases in schools there would be no staff left to run them otherwise.

And yet people are still saying that we all have to live with it. How do people think mutations happen with viruses? Because the more people the virus infects the more chances there are to mutations.

I don't know if there's proper information out there about how many cases turn into hospital admissions at the moment.

This is very back of a fag packet but I just went for a 2 week delay between reported cases and hospital admissions as a rough guess. So 23 June, 11625 new cases, 6 July, 563 patients admitted, which is 4.8%. Hopefully someone will be along to tell me why this is wrong because that's a lot of hospital admissions if we get to 100,000 new cases a day.

The government have f#cked up and done the wrong thing since the start, going ahead with reopening when cases are soaring is idiotic. Bojo still wants his heard immunity (which doesn't work, jurt creates more mutations) and is going to ignore all warnings until it all goes tits up then blame the public for not following the rules.

Re. not such a good idea to let it rip. Indeed. As reported today NHS staff are in dread and anxiety about the predicted increased covid numbers in hospitals.
Having said that, letting it rip is inconsistent with mass self isolation unless we are soon all to be self isolating, which is what the government is facing now. Something has to give, and it must logically be the restrictions on the double jabbed.
Plus many patients in hospital with covid refused vaccination so the government need to incentivise vaccination to mitigate the living with covid policy.

The govt is not fit for purpose never mind the app !

The vaccination program is at a tricky stage. Most centres are doing walk in one day this weekend or next, so there's excess vaccines based on current policy. Gov policy is not vaccinating under 18s officially, not moving second dose forward, so they are trying to mop up vaccine hesitant people to try to counter balance the let it rip, whereas the USA has done the first two:vaccinate under 18s widely and only 3 weeks between doses.

Btw not just NHS short of staff due to isolations, also care homes. Local ones are desperately recruiting as staff levels have to be much higher if many staff are told to self isolate.

We are lions led by donkeys. Populist governments around the world are the ones who have handled this pandemic in the worst possible way to try and keep their far right happy. U.K. is no exception. Can we get back to normal please by removing this incompetent, lazy, corrupt shitshow of a government.

I'm fully expecting an announcement that freedom day is cancelled. Too many young people are testing positive, I think they have been hiding behind England's progress in the Euros.

NHS staff or care home staff should be getting tested everyday surely ? If your in a high risk environment regular/ daily testing is done ?

And they've only just realised this?!

Absolutely! I had to isolate (didn't tell me until about 4 days after contact so the first 3 days I was on a girl's weekend in Manchester 🤷🏻‍♀️). I kept the location and Bluetooth off when I was allowed back out (first day) and I turned both on to check into a venue with the plan to turn them off again...

As soon as I turned them on it popped up saying I need d to isolate for 3 days....DELETE!

Spent all of last week isolating, had 2 days at work this week and had to leave early because my partner now has covid from work 🤦🏻‍♀️ guess the jokes on me 😒

Only silver lining is me and the little man are negative and my partner isn't too bad (compared to what we're told about it).

But yeah point is the app is shit, I know healthcare professionals who say the same, and it's now off my phone!

I read that the modeling data they had on hospital admissions is wrong.
Could be a lot higher.

Surely its tricky thing to model

As most under 18s had no vaccine.
Regional differences read 47% Londoners over 80 refused vaccine.
Success of each jab relies on person immune system which jab they used and even time between Jan's.
Why are most other countries 3 week gaps.
We mostly used az in uk which has lower success with delta varient.
Some double jabbed are still ending up in hospital or sadly dying.

Now they panicking and saying let's bring jabs 4week gaps.
But takes 21 days take effect .
I don't think jabs will save us delta will overtakes vaccination.

The country and nhs be total mess.
I'm just glad schools end soon some respite for parents if we careful what activity we do and limit contacts.

@RonaLisa

SE & the low paid not isolating is one reason why infections in this country haven't been controlled.

Yes db vaccinated people can easily survive CV but millions of people haven't been, approx 30m & can be hit very hard with this delta variant.

So "getting on with our lives" means the nhs cannot cope with increases in CV patients.

Looks like Javid has finally realised this too, as apparently he has been told nhs waiting lists to hit 13m within weeks.... to me, its beyond belief that he is health sec and previously a chancellor & leading backbencher, but has so little understanding of the underfunding which he helped cause.

@Dustyboots

These are the things I think about because I cannot trust my govt.

I love this phrase. It sums up my mind at the moment. It’s always second guessing and acting like a detective because nothing our government says or does is honest or real.

Hear hear! Absolutely this.

@Maryjo2103

The govt is not fit for purpose never mind the app !

But it is the will of the people to have such a government, so we should not complain.