Govt realises that loads of people getting covid might actually be an issue

[noblegiraffe]

Sam Coates of Sky News is tweeting that Whitehall is getting concerned about the sheer number of people who will be having to isolate in the coming days, some from getting covid, and some from having to isolate.

"One source said gvt modelling done under Hancock suggested this scale cd potentially compromise transport and healthcare"

"One government source called this another lockdown by the back door"

twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1413224477450817536?s=21

Apparently the plan is to make the app less sensitive so that fewer people have to isolate.

Stopping isolations increases infections so not necessarily a great solution.

I'm sure all the planning is well in hand though.

[quote jasjas1973]@RonaLisa

SE & the low paid not isolating is one reason why infections in this country haven't been controlled.

Yes db vaccinated people can easily survive CV but millions of people haven't been, approx 30m & can be hit very hard with this delta variant.

So "getting on with our lives" means the nhs cannot cope with increases in CV patients.

Looks like Javid has finally realised this too, as apparently he has been told nhs waiting lists to hit 13m within weeks.... to me, its beyond belief that he is health sec and previously a chancellor & leading backbencher, but has so little understanding of the underfunding which he helped cause.[/quote]
At least when we leave the EU there will be £350million a week extra for the NHS.
Does anyone know when that is going to happen?

What concerns me most is the statistics around long Covid

The jabs don’t stop long Covid. With the crazy level of infection the government seems to be perfectly happy to allow, 1 in 10 developing long Covid is going to utterly break is as a nation, the nhs and the welfare state.

I know people with long Covid and it’s awful, 18m on. I don’t want to be a statistic because a Tory has been strong armed by that Wetherspoon twat or by the all powerful airline lobby.

I don’t feel safe in this country at all atm. It’s all nonsense and frankly like the chaos at Christmas but 200x worse

I won’t be making too many changes in the way I live now to the way I live after the 19th.

The vaccines minister has now said that government guidance will be that people are expected to wear masks in enclosed indoor spaces*.

Good to have clear, consistent and strong messaging from the government once again

*Not classrooms, obvs.

@MzHz

What concerns me most is the statistics around long Covid

The jabs don’t stop long Covid. With the crazy level of infection the government seems to be perfectly happy to allow, 1 in 10 developing long Covid is going to utterly break is as a nation, the nhs and the welfare state.

I know people with long Covid and it’s awful, 18m on. I don’t want to be a statistic because a Tory has been strong armed by that Wetherspoon twat or by the all powerful airline lobby.

I don’t feel safe in this country at all atm. It’s all nonsense and frankly like the chaos at Christmas but 200x worse

I won’t be making too many changes in the way I live now to the way I live after the 19th.

Agreed.

The thing is, if you have children and you want them to have an education, then you can't keep yourself safe.

There are many families who can't homeschool for many different reasons.

So I feel that I'm engaged in russian roulette with the health of myself and my kids every time we leave the house.

We are almost only doing school and things outside (playgrounds, walks). Maybe a very quick shop visit, but only small shops and only for less than 10 mins, wearing a ffp2 mask.

We had started spending a bit more money, doing things after Easter but all that has stopped now. I'm not spending money, I refuse to be part of this insanity and not spending is what I can do.

Oh and I wish that schools broke up next week in England instead of it being a week and a half more.

@noblegiraffe

The vaccines minister has now said that government guidance will be that people are expected to wear masks in enclosed indoor spaces*.

Good to have clear, consistent and strong messaging from the government once again

*Not classrooms, obvs.

You couldn't make it up! Why we continue to be surprised at the ineptitude of this lot I don't know? I have little faith in this current plan.

if you have children and you want them to have an education, then you can't keep yourself safe.

Yes, the government have decided that children need to catch it as quickly as possible for 'herd immunity' while simultaneously declaring that covid is now a matter of personal responsibility.

Has anyone watched this

Exclusive to Unlocked Dr Mike Yeadon

Dr Mike Yeadon is the one who thinks that the vaccines are an attempt at global mass depopulation, yes?

@theemperorhasnoclothes

Oh and I wish that schools broke up next week in England instead of it being a week and a half more.

Private schools round here have already broken up.

@noblegiraffe

Dr Mike Yeadon is the one who thinks that the vaccines are an attempt at global mass depopulation, yes?

Michael Yeadon was a scientific researcher and vice president at drugs giant Pfizer Inc. He makes some interesting points.

Michael Yeadon was a scientific researcher and vice president at drugs giant Pfizer Inc.

Yes, and now he's saying that vaccines are an attempt at global mass depopulation.

1 in 10 developing long Covid is going to utterly break is as a nation, the nhs and the welfare state

No, having millions of people (and growing) waiting for treatment due to lockdowns is going to break the NHS. Not covid, "long" or regular length.

Yes I wish our schools broke up this week. Infections definitely picking up around here. I'm one of the few within my friendship group with both kids still in school.

Cuts to the health service, 90,000 vacant positions (Gp, nursing and hospital doctors), bed shortages and health inequalities led to the need to lockdown - maybe we could start addressing those things.

@FromEden

1 in 10 developing long Covid is going to utterly break is as a nation, the nhs and the welfare state

No, having millions of people (and growing) waiting for treatment due to lockdowns is going to break the NHS. Not covid, "long" or regular length.

Luckily current government policy is to achieve both, whilst enriching their already wealthy mates.

Waiting lists were also dire before lockdown (although obviously things are much worse now), I do hope that Javid isn't going to paint it as a 'we shouldn't have locked down' issue and blame it on his predecessor instead of on the government that he works for.

*Not classrooms, obvs.

Anyone know the reasoning behind this? Have they decided that children need to be immune for the sake of the herd, and that it's better to have them catch the disease than be vaccinated?
(If so, why is infection better, are they worried about vaccine safety in children, is it cheaper that way or what?)

@noblegiraffe
Michael Yeadon was a scientific researcher and vice president at drugs giant Pfizer Inc.Yes, and now he's saying that vaccines are an attempt at global mass depopulation.

Links /references please would like to read up...

After nearly two years of this pandemic travelling and mixing globally we have discovered in the UK that many are still indifferent with at most performative superficial personal risk mitigation or non believers being anti science, anti data, anti masks, anti civil freedoms (as this Covidiotic behaviour leads to more restrictions) etc etc unless they catch it and spread it on.

Many in London at leat are now unmasked with customary usual cheeky lie “I am exempt” or badge/lanyard. The latter complete with floral designs have been widely available and sold online with no questions asked in case a majority of the population becomes suddenly disabled. This of course makes a mockery and insult to the very very few who are genuinely disabled. I am sure the same online fraudsters will supply a convenient fake blue parking label too. This is simply reckless and selfish Covid exceptionalism entitlement “protection” not from infection and super spreading but a criminal fine based on trust and civic duty of care to treat others how you expect to be treated. This may help to explain some of the reasons for 0.1-0.2 million excess Covid fatalities already and many suffering from long Covid disabilities despite the free at point of use tax payer funded super expensive NHS public health insurance. It is not as easy as saying I am exempt or special to cheat a highly contagious and rapidly mutating airborne disease.

Unlike east Asia and Australasia where there are both competent more fit for pandemic purpose proactive civic duty of care protective longer term sustainable thinking governments and a Covid savvy population - many Brits are thinking how can I get away with it to forever exceed or push the boundaries of health and safety obligations. Apparently many Brits can’t wait to jet overseas for more holiday mixing irrespective of Covid - than can I take simple mindful steps to prevent infection and possibly harming my own household bubble and others with less health privilege in close enclosed proximity. The virus can not be cheated by the unique British exceptionalism entitlement as hence why we developed our own Kent, Cornwall G7 or perhaps soon Euro 2020 football or Wimbledon tennis tournament variants. Covid loves a crowd! I am guessing many are only vaccinated as much as for the social entry perks as for medical protective benefits. We live in a me me me instant gratification short term memory and thinking ahead unsustainable society with a corrupt gaslighting and confused government who only care about themselves and not you as they won’t be in power for ever unlike Covid if the avoidable super spreading continues with our ongoing herd immunity Petri dish real life public lab experiment survival of the fittest.

If so, why is infection better, are they worried about vaccine safety in children

The word on twitter is that they don’t have enough supplies of Pfizer to vaccinate children.

[quote CrinkleCrankle]@noblegiraffe
Michael Yeadon was a scientific researcher and vice president at drugs giant Pfizer Inc.Yes, and now he's saying that vaccines are an attempt at global mass depopulation.

Links /references please would like to read up...[/quote]
Ok, I'm not sure why you'd like to read up on something obviously bonkers, but here's a link:

www.snopes.com/fact-check/michael-yeadon-vaccine-death/

@noblegiraffe
IMO pharmacists especially like Yeadon become capitalist orientated. I'm reckoning Pfizer pissed him off financially in some way and his comments are as a result of that, shit stirring revenge.

Or alternatively he's fuelling natural selection by appealing to antivax idiots

@noblegiraffe

If so, why is infection better, are they worried about vaccine safety in children

The word on twitter is that they don’t have enough supplies of Pfizer to vaccinate children.

Ah, that would explain it, thank you. But hang on, I understand that you can't vaccinate children if you don't have enough vaccine, but wouldn't that make masks more important in schools, not less? Or do they just want immunity in children by whatever route?

1 in 10 developing long Covid is going to utterly break is as a nation, the nhs and the welfare state

Having more lockdowns will do more damage, we simply can't afford to continue paying furlough and other support, whilst entire industries are closed down. We'd have no money for the NHS, not even current spending, let alone any extra!