Govt realises that loads of people getting covid might actually be an issue

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Sam Coates of Sky News is tweeting that Whitehall is getting concerned about the sheer number of people who will be having to isolate in the coming days, some from getting covid, and some from having to isolate.

"One source said gvt modelling done under Hancock suggested this scale cd potentially compromise transport and healthcare"

"One government source called this another lockdown by the back door"

twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1413224477450817536?s=21

Apparently the plan is to make the app less sensitive so that fewer people have to isolate.

Stopping isolations increases infections so not necessarily a great solution.

I'm sure all the planning is well in hand though.

However I have been involved in one of those events and we are all of the opinion that what is the point of going through the show and rigour of the 'test events' if it is all going to get binned anyway. Also the rest of the research events (before mid June) were with a far lower background number of cases.

The government have their head up their arses in the sand

@Dustyboots

These are the things I think about because I cannot trust my govt.

I love this phrase. It sums up my mind at the moment. It’s always second guessing and acting like a detective because nothing our government says or does is honest or real.

I've found this one of the most stressful things about the pandemic. The constant lying, watching things escalate out of control, watching lockdown efforts and misery being pissed on as Boris wanted to go to India so let delta properly seed here early on and fuck it all up again etc

[quote PseudoBadger]@CakeRattleandRoll the cricket, the football and the tennis this weekend are all 100% capacity events under the auspices of the 'events research programme'. Each one has been signed off by the local authority, public health England and the government (DCMS).[/quote]
This is Cheltenham Gold Cup horse racing festival 2020 super spreading event all over again. Is it a coincidence that the corrupt government mates are involved in these big sporting events as well as for instance our reckless deadly unfit for purpose test track and trace countless tax payer billions gravy train?

www.gov.uk/government/news/government-publishes-events-research-programme-report

Isn’t football behind the rise in male cases?

The recent REACT study said that latest infections were 30% higher in men than women and they suspected the football was behind it.

This was before the semifinals I think.

Yep and everyone will end up isolating anyway but because they've got a positive test rather than as a close contact and will have passed it onto all of their colleagues and schoolgate mums etc before that positive test.

Clearly a fucking super intelligent idea.

Whoever described themselves as an ignorant pleb a few pages ago - you're not! You're just applying common sense and logic. Such as us plebs are want to do because despite all of the 'people must be able to work' talk there'll be no work if people put their bosses out of business by not isolating and spreading covid throughout the staff and customers causing more closures and bankruptcy.

Business' can't survive having all of their staff out ill because one person sat with a mate in the pub watching the football who turned out to be covid positive the next day but he decided to ignore, not isolate or test and infected all of his colleagues and some customers. They can't afford having to try and get people through mercenary recruitment agencies if they even have anyone available. Business' can't survive the hits to their reputation when they're the centre of outbreaks.

There's a lot of short term self centred thinking that amounts cutting off your nose to spite your own face.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

Isn’t football behind the rise in male cases?

'Using screenshots!' Wembley steward claims fans use fake Covid results to get into games

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1459632/England-football-Wembley-fans-fake-covid-test-results-screenshots-Euro2020-Denmark-vn

No, this was part of the React study where people were tested blind apart from sex.

It was in conjunction with Imperial College and Mori/ipsos.

It's not just the ground though - it's pubs and homes all over the country. All potential little super spreader events in themselves as the one in my village has just proven to me quite close to home. Some are isolating, some didn't bother, some deliberately won't test so they can go into the factory and infect all their colleagues potentially and the kids come in school and so forth.

I'm not against the football or indoor socialising I just think if we could have kept masks on kids in classrooms until schools broke up the two might have offset each other but they threw away that chance.

I've said previously, about last summer, that summer is the tories (understandably) quick get the cash registers open and make hay while the sun shines before we have to lockdown again in autumn. The trouble is they don't even apply intelligence to it - why abandon masks in schools just two months before they closed? Why allow mass spread in young people just as all the adults are also now being allowed to be in pubs and go to sporting events etc?

Sorry I keep asking the same question because it is just so bloody bonkers. How the hell to selfishbastards4themselves have so much hold over government policy?

@Baystard

We need to learn to live with it

Yes, we do. But so many people say 'learn to live with it' when they actually mean 'pretend it isn't there'.

Learning to live with it, to me, means using technology, testing, tracing (masks in certain circumstances) to give us as much of our old life back ad possible.

Yep

DD (NHS) tested twice a week, wears full ppe. Tested positive on LFT yesterday, work carried out a PCR straight after and we were all sent home by our employers to isolate awaiting her results.

Negative result today advising to still isolate if positive on LFT. Hmm, called NHS contact, told it was a strange message, DD self isolate and retest PCR after 48hrs and return to work.

DH tested via PCR on his way home from work yesterday. Received negative result with the same message about self isolating. Called 119 they were just as confused and advised we all self isolate for 10 days as DDs positive LFT “trumped” the negative PCR as they were both carried out at work.

DD has a temp. Today I have a backache, diarrhoea, hacking cough, & sneezing constantly. I'm isolating hoping it's a cold (started on Thursday getting progressively worse) test booked, LFT all negative.

Work are hounding us all to get back to work, no idea what to do for the best with such conflicting advice/guidence. Now waiting on test and trace to contact DD - on the advise of 119.

One solution would be for everyone to get on with their lives, and for nobody to isolate at all.

I was sick to the back teeth of all of this in March 2020, and am even more so now.

How the hell to selfishbastards4themselves have so much hold over government policy?

Because there is a massive overlap between antilockdown types and Brexiteers (nobody tells me what to do), Boris Johnson was elected to get Brexit done and he filled cabinet with Brexiteers.

Also the influential ERG within the Conservative Party transitioned smoothly to the CRG.

@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia

Can we agree that in the UK there is no mandatory requirement to own and use a mobile smartphone in the first place let alone an App which is unfit for purpose!? This might explain why many of us have deleted a useless App as soon as it was immediately known not to work as an excuse to splash billions of out tax payer government borrowing to mates who don’t know what they are doing. To borrow the “leader’s” words - f…ing hopeless! Not sure if Alexander Jonson did also say “I rather see bodies piled high than call a lockdown” or words to that effect either. It does however sums up this bunch of clowns supposedly in charge.

I've been waiting all this time for Boris to send me a phone with the app on, cos if he was serious about us having to use it surely that is what they would have done?

@RonaLisa

One solution would be for everyone to get on with their lives, and for nobody to isolate at all.

I was sick to the back teeth of all of this in March 2020, and am even more so now.

By 'get on with their lives' do you mean 'lie sick in bed for weeks'?

People really don't rtft do they? They just parrot I'm sick of it let's all stop isolating.

They haven't read the thread, they haven't cottoned on that that could mean tons more positive tests, nhs, supremarkets, distribution centres and drivers, etc with massive staff shortages and no medical treatment or toilet roll or groceries etc.

It must be wilful ignorance when the information is literally right under their nose and at their fingertips.

I'd be interested to see modelling on what % of people in the supply chain need to be sick for there to be issues. Ditto healthcare. They're already having problems getting enough HGV drivers or crop pickers.

Some people are ill for weeks with covid. A lot of people missing weeks of work will be a problem.

@theemperorhasnoclothes

I'd be interested to see modelling on what % of people in the supply chain need to be sick for there to be issues. Ditto healthcare. They're already having problems getting enough HGV drivers or crop pickers.

Some people are ill for weeks with covid. A lot of people missing weeks of work will be a problem.

I’m wondering now if the preppers are prepping. I reckon there’s probably more need for it now than before.

But I’ve not seen any threads in Active so maybe they’re just quietly prepping…

If we had EU15 levels of healthcare, maybe, just, we could do what Bojo is apparently going to do but we don't, so keeping current restriction levels as they are will slow/limit spread but once nightclubs and all SD are removed, then all hell will break loose and there are simply too many unvaccinated people about... its millions.

If just a tiny fraction get seriously ill then the NHS is fucked.

It beggars belief they don't acknowledge this or more likely, don't care.

what % of people in the supply chain need to be sick for there to be issues

Schools start to struggle with inclusion support when maybe 5% of staff are off. Lack of inclusion support has a massive knock on effect.

The age group with the highest infection rates by far is Y12-age 24.

These young people probably make up a large percentage of the workforce in hospitality and retail.

It’s summer holiday season soon so obviously as is customary - those MPs in charge are going to leave the rest of us to it as they had such a tough time enriching themselves at our expense. It’s not as if there is any national health emergency to deal with nor a collapsing economy. Personal matters are more important for those in charge as they do as they please having been found out to be ignoring rules and the science. Do note the likely reimplementation and use of unilateral international travel mixing green light to be used to their advantage irrespective of data or overseas nations wishing to exclude Indian Delta and preventing importation of Johnson Delta variants. It would be just a comedy act but no one is laughing when some may end up in masked ventilation ICU.

Performative pretend public personal risk mitigation is not going to cut it if it is not done seriously with respect to those who may otherwise be in de facto house arrest due to less health privilege. Perhaps shop keepers need to have Covid smart shopping days as well as days for pre 2019 non Covid believers so they can freely mix amongst themselves without hygiene requirements non hands, face and space. Perhaps call it Covid fatigued black Monday with no rules fill your boots mix and go with no risk mitigation required. This will be equitable if scientific suicide to accommodate Covid smart civic duty of care types away from Covidiots or Covid brave and invincible self serving types. Priority to limited resourced healthcare according risk mitigation profile. Basically you could not make it up as to the gaslighting and any corruption possible self serving government playing the short term popularism game at other people’s life and livelihoods expense as living with Covid is as much dying with Covid.

The lateral flow tests that are up to 50% inaccurate. Right.