100,000 cases a day by August....bloody hell

[ssd]

We're all going to get it eventually it seems

Who is 'we' hon?
You alright for money?
Who is it that you are descriing as 'the poor'.?

Let people know would you

Maths degrees don't count for very much love under the present administration.

why else would there be a national shortage of maths teachers...

A significant group of people in the UK who are unvaccinated is pregnant women.

They have been somewhat protected so far but I’m really concerned that in the coming weeks we will see more infections in this group.

There is now evidence that vaccination is safe in pregnancy (which wasn’t the case earlier in the pandemic).

Ah yes, Indonesia which has a population of 276.6 million.
Dunno what their healthcare system is like to be fair though.

@Izzy24

A significant group of people in the UK who are unvaccinated is pregnant women.

They have been somewhat protected so far but I’m really concerned that in the coming weeks we will see more infections in this group.

There is now evidence that vaccination is safe in pregnancy (which wasn’t the case earlier in the pandemic).

Well the advice changed recently so I imagine the uptake in the vaccine in this group will increase significantly, which is good. In fact, I just got mine 3 weeks ago at 16 weeks pregnant :)

As a Brit living 100% back to normal overseas, a global pandemic is why the NHS doesn't really work. That, and it can't afford to give millions of people basic cover and relies on them being, ""We'll be fine! I haven't seen a doctor since 1963 and I've barely had a cold since!" >

@Horehound

I’m really glad you’ve had yours!

I do hope others will have the vaccination but my impression is that many women feel they will wait till after the birth.

There is no information that this vaccine is 'safe' in pregnancy

There is evidence from over 90,000 cases inAmerica and the recently published advice (about3 months ago) from the JCVI and RCOG is that pregnant women should now be offered vaccination.

And we are an island nation, just like New Zealand

The UK is not an "Island nation" ffs. Part of it is on another island altogether and shares an open border with another country. Hardly comparable to New Zealand

@cushioncovers

What's the alternative though? You can't lock down society forever.

If there were fewer people resisting vaccination, presumably there would be less need for a lockdown.

@FromEden

And we are an island nation, just like New Zealand

The UK is not an "Island nation" ffs. Part of it is on another island altogether and shares an open border with another country. Hardly comparable to New Zealand

If you're talking about NI, that didn't stop the Republic of Ireland (very sensibly) restricting entry from high risk countries. Like the UK. It's a global pandemic of a disease that kills and disables. Pretending otherwise not only doesn't make it go away or get better, it makes a bad situation worse. Drags it out.

NZ isn't the only country that restricted borders. Lots did. Vietnam, for example. Vietnam isn't an island and still managed to control its borders.

Like the countries who don't really have lockdowns - and also have kept 152,000 more of their people alive that our government has.

Let us know when you've located that handy Time Machine, won't you? ;)

@ssd

We're all going to get it eventually it seems

OK, OP, do you have anything to add to that? As you posted once with no link, seem to have dumped and run away

There is a lot of unhappy people in Australia currently.

Lots of people still can't get home, they have a mini lockdown and vaccinated levels are low.

NZ is a unique case. It's never been the centre of any real economy except tourism. The UK is not really like an island with the way the ecojomy works.

NZ is a unique case. It's never been the centre of any real economy except tourism

So, with the borders being closed, and very few tourists coming in, how is the economy booming???? You obviously don't know the first thing about it.

@Tealightsandd

what the fuck else do we do?

What the scientific and medical experts, including those at the WHO advise. We take mitigation measures to allow a safer opening up. Simple and easy things, like masks.

This. When it turns to shit, we will predictably take too long to address that too. Sick of this fucking Merry go round. 62000 kids today have it that we know of - that's a lot of long covid cases. Test for mass events, wear masks on transport/inside busy areas, would say invest in schools but that isn't going to happen etc. Opening up even more will further increase rates - of course it will, but to try and reduce that increase is surely sensible.

@INeedNewShoes

Seems like we're going to spend the next few weeks in perpetual isolation as it's so prevalent at the moment that it seems impossible to avoid coming into contact with Covid unless you can work at home and not have kids at school etc.

Don’t talk shite. We don’t all get the flu every year do we? God only knows what kind of mental health crisis we'll have in a few years after all this.

@Tealightsandd

what the fuck else do we do?

What the scientific and medical experts, including those at the WHO advise. We take mitigation measures to allow a safer opening up. Simple and easy things, like masks.

Yes, masks will solve everything

Masks don't have to solve everything to be worthwhile.

even if they were to help reduce transmission by 25% they could potentially save lives and reduce the number of people with covid

(and 25% is a ballpark figure that has been suggested)

Yes we will all catch covid at some point. That is why we have vaccines, to hopefully lessen the effects when we do. We can't live like this forever, we have to move forward. I feel for CEV families though, it must be really worrying.

There were interviews on BBC-WS last night with a couple of Australians unable to see family. One was a guy with 6yo daughter in Aus, while wife & 3yo DD were stuck in Philippines for last 16m. His older DD doesn't want to speak to her mother. If he wants to go to Philipines he has to ask permission from Aus govt. His children are both Australian citizens. If he leaves Aus, could be years before he can get back into Aus. In meantime, Australia is only sort of keeping the virus out.

But sure, whatever. Australians "aren't bothered."

@LawnFever

But if those cases lead to fewer hospitalisations and deaths because of the number of people vaccinated then the number of case numbers isn’t as relevant.

I think they should stop reporting the cases, it’s scare mongering.

This.

@OnSecondThoughts

I felt a yawn coming, but it couldn't even be bothered.

Well said!!!!

If we had had several plane crashes in a year leading to 130K deaths we would have grounded all planes

The average age of a plane passenger is, maybe 40? A person who might otherwise have lived to 80?

The deaths of 130k of plane passengers, expressed in terms of life years lost is = 40 x 130k = 5.2 million life years, which of course is a terrible tragedy.

Average age of a covid death = 83. Average life expectancy in UK = 82.

Surely you can see that the comparison you draw is disingenuous at best?