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Would you have non-vaccinated people in your house?

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NormaSnorks · 01/07/2021 15:32

I am part of a reading group. 8 of us used to meet in each other's houses on a rotating basis. Have been on zoom for last 14 months but we are starting to discuss return to hosting at home.

One member is ardent anti-vaxxer and two other members have said privately that they don't want her in their homes as they believe she presents a higher risk. One has an elderly relative at home and the other a CEV child.

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Abraxan · 01/07/2021 16:42

want to know what that rash is, too?

To be fair, if that task was infectious than maybe I'd like a heads up or for you to not come.

I caught slapped cheek from a child. It wasn't overly pleasant.

Measles rash - stay away. Dd caught measles from another (unvaccinated and with active measles, but sent into nursery) child when she was very small (a few days before she was able to get her mmr infact). She was quite poorly with it and it was a worrying time.

Chicken pox rash - then yes, stay away from children who haven't had it or particularly vulnerable adults.

Maybe risk wasn't a good example. There are numerous rashes that you should stay home and away from others with.

Dinks90 · 01/07/2021 16:42

@NormaSnorks my mum and brother both got COVID after being vaccinated so it does happen.

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NormaSnorks · 01/07/2021 16:44

[quote Dinks90]@NormaSnorks my mum and brother both got COVID after being vaccinated so it does happen. [/quote]
??
Yes, see my post 16:36:54

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lljkk · 01/07/2021 16:47

We all know each other's vax status as we are friends/share information etc

Not sure you are all friends. Not for much longer, anyway.

I am thinking to lie & say I haven't had vacc when I have had it. Just to see how people react. While they pretend not to judge or be cross at me but really they are... Good way to flush out false friends. This is because I'm very pro-choice on the jab.

Abraxan · 01/07/2021 16:47

People who are vaccinated can still be a spreader.

But the risk of the vaccinated person catching covid is greatly reduced. And the risk of them transmitting covid, if unlucky enough to catch it, is also greatly reduced.

This is one of the things people choosing not to get the vaccine keep trying to say, but it's not quite as straight forward as they want to make out. Whilst it is possible to catch covid when vaccinated you are far less likely to, same with transmission.This has been shown time and time again, with the rate of the reduction increasing each time, as more data becomes available.

Also,
A vaccine doesn't just affect and protect the person who has had it. If enough people are vaccinated it helps to protect other, more vulnerable, members of society who are unable to be vaccinated.

nether · 01/07/2021 16:47

@lljkk

If vaccine-lovers think the vaccine is so valuable, why don't they have faith in it to protect themselves? Is all I can think.

Can say same about masks, too, about people who get very upset at non-mask wearers. Why wear a mask so religiously if so convinced it isn't good enough?

Because it does not work well, and possibly not at all, for the condition which led to a household member being CEV

Masks do not protect you, they protect everyone else from you.

canigooutyet · 01/07/2021 16:47

The hypocrisy is really astounding and I really do feel for some of your loved ones.

How do you think they feel when they hear the unvaxxed are dirty and to
be avoided at all costs?

Let me guess.. You don't mean them. You mean the others are to be avoided at all costs,.

motogogo · 01/07/2021 16:50

We stayed it was a requirement for house groups (church) but there's a group in the church hall which it isn't mandated as space to distance

Abraxan · 01/07/2021 16:50

If vaccine-lovers think the vaccine is so valuable, why don't they have faith in it to protect themselves? Is all I can think.

For CEV and very elderly people, it could be that they know the vaccine could be less effective for them - we know that people with poor immune systems are more likely to be fully protected by the vaccines, for example.

As yet NO vaccine (not just covid vaccines) is 100% effective in 100% of people.

We don't yet have enough of the population fully vaccinated to be able to rely in it entirely. Other measures are still in place for this reason.

Wingingthis · 01/07/2021 16:51

If you’ve had the vaccine what’s the problem?

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NormaSnorks · 01/07/2021 16:52

I think, as has been made clear up-thread, there is a difference in reaction depending on whether a person is unvaxxed/vaccine hesitant and an ardent anti-vaxxer.

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lljkk · 01/07/2021 16:54

I guess you should prepare for bust up in your friendship group,OP.

Maybe the anti-vaxxer will start a separate book group. You may all get forced to choose sides. Hope it doesn't get nasty.

This is why I would be minded to lie & say I lacked jab regardless of truth. I want to know who are the people who would believe in only their way or the highway.

canigooutyet · 01/07/2021 16:54

Other vaccines despite them not being 100% you don't have to live with restrictions whilst you wait for it to kick in.

You have the flu jab and carry on as normal whether you work in a supermarket, care home or hospital ward. And do we have enough of the population vaccinated to rely on it entirely? No.

Flowerlane · 01/07/2021 16:56

Let’s hope the poor woman in question finds another book club with some nicer women in it.

Justgettingbye · 01/07/2021 16:57

There's only a couple of people not vaccinated in my family and I won't be in a rush to have them over mainly because they're preachy and think you're a sheep if you've followed guidelines etc.

I didn't have these people over to see new baby during lockdown as their child has had no childhood vaccinations so didn't wanna risk new baby catching it

MrsKeats · 01/07/2021 16:58

canigooutyet · 01/07/2021 16:58

And if there was any scientific basis of having segrations like so many people want, the gov would have gone ahead and introduced sanctions on the unvaxxed. The covid pass that many wanted to restrict the unvaxxed access to restaurants, bars and more would have gone ahead.

Cornettoninja · 01/07/2021 16:58

@Wingingthis

If you’ve had the vaccine what’s the problem?

The OP quite clearly stated the issue; they’re talking about holding meetings in each other’s homes. Two people live with people who are in groups known to not necessarily produce antibodies.

She’s/they’re not concerned about their protection from the vaccines.

CharlotteRose90 · 01/07/2021 17:01

Nope not a chance: I’m CEV and my parents are elderly so they while I’m looking after them it’s not happening

LimitIsUp · 01/07/2021 17:02

Yes, since I am double vaccinated.

Went to the cinema a couple of weeks ago - two days later I had a notification that I had been exposed to someone who had tested Covid positive (must have been there since I haven't been to any other indoor venues recently). Didn't contract Covid despite being breathed on for two hours (they were in the seats directly behind me - so much for social distancing at the cinema). I can't prove causation but anecdoctally I assume the vaccine protected me

Iwonder08 · 01/07/2021 17:03

OP, why don't you just stop pretending that it has something to do with the perceived risk of catching covid from anti vaxer. I have a feeling all of your book club members have children in close families so are exposed tonunvaccinated people. Your decision is based on the fact you don't like this person because of her beliefs. You should say so. You are within your rights not to spend time with people who you don't like.
BTW.. I am vaccinated before anyone jumps to accuse of me of supporting antivaxers

rosie39forever · 01/07/2021 17:03

My dh and dd are CEV so not I'm not having unvaccinated people in my house...but if they weren't vulnerable i wouldn't even ask, it wouldn't be an issue.

canigooutyet · 01/07/2021 17:03

Surely is you are going to restrict people access to your homes, then you would be better off making them do one of those rapid tests and take their temperature as an extra precaution.

How many of followed NHS guidelines with regards to infections including the common cold to help protect those vulnerable that so many suddenly seem to care about?

www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/infections/how-long-is-someone-infectious-after-a-viral-infection/

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NormaSnorks · 01/07/2021 17:03

If there is a bust-up then it will likely go 7 -1 !

The thing about this is that it's collective responsibility isn't it? If we (7) have all taken the small personal risk to reduce the collective risk for our group, our families (incl elderly and CEV) and society as a whole, I can see why some members ask why this other woman should benefit from our responsible actions, especially after her so vocally and persistently undermining vaccines?

One of my friends has suggested that we only read scientific non-fiction for the next year!

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Viviennemary · 01/07/2021 17:04

No. But I wouldn't bd fridnds with that type of person. So it wouldn't arise.

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