Would you have non-vaccinated people in your house?

[NormaSnorks]

I am part of a reading group. 8 of us used to meet in each other's houses on a rotating basis. Have been on zoom for last 14 months but we are starting to discuss return to hosting at home.

One member is ardent anti-vaxxer and two other members have said privately that they don't want her in their homes as they believe she presents a higher risk. One has an elderly relative at home and the other a CEV child.

@SupermanInk ok.

I’m just saying we very rarely know the ins and outs of peoples minds. People are very good at disguising their true feelings if they know the situation isn’t appropriate or ‘safe’.

I wouldn't ask anyone whether they were vaccinated on principle. Ever.

But my friends know about the kids CEV and run through whether they should or shouldn't come.

@Whyevencare

Please note unvaccinated people aren't all walking around as disease ridden carriers of the virus.

Those confirming they won't allow the unvaccinated into their house need to seriously get a grip, the brainwashing from government and MSM is horrific and you have lost all sense of rational thinking.

exactly this , i cannot believe that there are people out there carrying on about letting invaxxed people in their houses , its gone beyond farcial ,it really has , covid seems to have exposed a lot of idiots about , iv had my vaccine ,but no way would i hesitate to let somebody unvaxxed i was friends with into my house

So long as CEV were vaccinated then yes I would

SilverGlitterBaubles

We all know that the type of covid caught from unvaccinated children is fine but the one caught from unvaccinated hairdressers and plumbers is not. 🤣 Your MIL sounds like a bit of a twat to be honest. 😬

Did any of your friends' views present a possible risk to your family's health?
@NormaSnorks Yes. I have ardent anti vaxxers as friends. I have a pushy vegan friend, alongside ardent meat only eaters. In the same way that I have vaccine pusing militants as friends.

@Viviennemary

No. But I wouldn't bd fridnds with that type of person. So it wouldn't arise.

I'm glad that I am not a bigoted dogmatist. I am very pro vaccine but I have two good friends who are vaccine hesitant - they know my views and I know theirs, we don't lock horns over it and they are still very much worth knowing!

@canigooutyet

Did any of your friends' views present a possible risk to your family's health? *@NormaSnorks* Yes. I have ardent anti vaxxers as friends. I have a pushy vegan friend, alongside ardent meat only eaters. In the same way that I have vaccine pusing militants as friends.

The vaccine pus DOES sound dangerous, yes . . .

@SupermanInk As MILs go she is actually a good one TBH just completely illogical when it comes to this virus. I think there are lots of people like this logic and ability to assess risk is just non existent.

Yes, of course I would.

There is strong evidence that vaccination protects others and not just the vaccinated (hence the controversy about whether health care workers should be required to be vaccinated. So no I wouldn't. People may have the right to make a decision which puts them at increased risk but they don't have the right to make that decision for me. I would review this as rates change but right now and for the foreseeable future, no. I'd have no problems asking if someone was vaccinated either. If someone has a problem with that I know we are understanding the risks very differently and maybe, in that context, it would be best not to be in a room together.

As MILs go she is actually a good one TBH just completely illogical when it comes to this virus. I think there are lots of people like this logic and ability to assess risk is just non existent.

Fair enough. It’s good she’s still seeing her grandchildren then. I think the media is to blame for a lot of this, as well as confusing messages from the government. It’s just something else to divide people. I find it all very depressing.
Anyway, I’m getting off this board now, I always end up feeling crap when I’ve been on it.

@Flowerlane

Let’s hope the poor woman in question finds another book club with some nicer women in it.

The 'poor woman' isn't vaccine hesitant or unable to have it, she is an anti vaxx conspiracy theorist! I know one of those and I have as little to do with them as possible as they don't tend to like it when you laugh at them and it's very difficult not to.

BTW, I think the idiots in this situation are those who don't understand the data about vaccines reducing transmission and assuming that the decision not to be vaccinated only affects the person making that decision. It's the height of arrogance to assume you have the right to expose someone to an increased chance of a potentially fatal disease.

Chances are we have had unvaccinated people in our house.

Regardless of the fact I'm CEV (well according to the endless letters I've had), it's still none of my business if someone's been vaccinated, or not.

Surely if everyone else is vaccinated, what's the risk to others. The risk is to the unvaccinated person surely?

Definitely wouldn’t have them in my home

@MrsArchchancellorRidcully

Surely if everyone else is vaccinated, what's the risk to others. The risk is to the unvaccinated person surely?

Yes, including CEV people who cannot be vaccinated

i have some friends coming over for drinks. One is a conspiracy theorist. I wouldn’t be surprised if she was an anti vaxxer. We’ll be in the garden.

If your vaccine works, why do I need one?
If your vaccine doesn't work, why do I need one?

@Schrutesbeets

If your vaccine works, why do I need one? If your vaccine doesn't work, why do I need one?

Not everyone can be vaccinated, you know this. Some are especially vulnerable.

It isn't a problem. It is just individual choice.

@Minezatea

BTW, I think the idiots in this situation are those who don't understand the data about vaccines reducing transmission and assuming that the decision not to be vaccinated only affects the person making that decision. It's the height of arrogance to assume you have the right to expose someone to an increased chance of a potentially fatal disease.

I am aware of the need for the majority to be vaccinated to slow transmission and to reduce the rate of new variants emerging, which is why I have encouraged my 18 year old dd to get vaccinated even though she is at almost non existent personal risk from covid (she's had asymptomatic covid, tbh I have had worse hangovers). However I still don't think I can require others to get a vaccine! Their body, their business

Yes.

I probably wouldn't know if they were, I've never been one to ask for someone's vaccination records so will not start now. That would be strange.

@Schrutesbeets

If your vaccine works, why do I need one? If your vaccine doesn't work, why do I need one?

Because this isn’t a general scenario, it’s specifically about spending time in the home of either a CEV child (who, if they’re under 16, are highly unlikely to have been vaccinated) or an elderly person who may not have produced antibodies. The risk/benefit isn’t comparable to going to the shops or school because a book group they’re not part of isn’t a necessity for them.

Generally do wtf you like, but if you want to spend time in other peoples homes then they’re entitled to take into account any information you’ve already shared before accommodating you. You’re perfectly within your rights to smear yourself in cow shit if you like that sort of thing, I wouldn’t want you sitting on my sofa!

I already do; my grandkids are not vaccinated. The gas engineer who came last week, isn't (we got chatting). I forgot/didn't think to ask the Tesco delivery driver.