Would you have non-vaccinated people in your house?

[NormaSnorks]

I am part of a reading group. 8 of us used to meet in each other's houses on a rotating basis. Have been on zoom for last 14 months but we are starting to discuss return to hosting at home.

One member is ardent anti-vaxxer and two other members have said privately that they don't want her in their homes as they believe she presents a higher risk. One has an elderly relative at home and the other a CEV child.

I have a school age child so I'd be more concerned about the non-vaccinated person catching it from DS.

So generally, no.

Their home, their choice. Completely up to them. Personally it wouldn’t bother me in the slightest but then again, I don’t live with an elderly relative or have a CEV child.

Is she actually anti-vax or just against these new vaccines? I think YABU to request people to disclose private medical information. Do you ask people if they’ve had the cervical cancer jab before having sex? Or your child’s play date’s vaccination history? If people in your reading group have been vaccinated or aren’t medically vulnerable, then you don’t have anything to worry about.

You’ve made some huge leaps there @canigooutyet.

As I said, you make the choice about your lifestyle, risk level that’s right for you and what your expectations are of those around you. What is right for you isn’t going to work for everyone else though, whether it affects them directly or indirectly.

want to know what that rash is, too?

If it’s scabies or impetigo I’d appreciate a heads up

Yes. None of my and I don't care either way; I've only had one vaccination myself and tbat too recently to actually do anything. My CEV family have had plenty of unvaccinated people in their homes too (in particular me and my kids, but also others).

I genuinely can't imagine excluding someone for their vaccine status. I can imagine not associating with a nutter who believes in mental conspiracy theories, but that's completely seperate from anything vaccine related. I'd not want to spend time with anyone who thought Finland was made up, or the queen was a lizard either...

there is no need for any of the group to even know this member hasn’t had a vaccine unless they’ve chosen to make a big deal of it.

They DID make a big deal of it. At one point she was spamming our WhatsApp chat and her FB page with every possible conspiracy theory until someone whose partner works in hospital told them to stop.

In reality it seems that this may be more about a clash of values and the end of a friendship!

I think everyone who has been vaccinated acknowledges that they have chosen to take their own small risk in order to protect and benefit themselves and those who are genuinely unable to be vaccinated. We are only able to meet up again because we have collectively taken that risk.

As an unvaccinated person (who wears a mask/washes hands/social distances) I’d be heartbroken if I lost friendships due to my choice

Of course. I wouldnt ask that sort of question.

My kids are not vaccinated they live with me.

To be fair we dont invite friends etc over as a general rule, as people dont want to visit because of my asd teen.

My teens dont want to invite friends over as they think our home is beneath them.

I already do
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In reality it seems that this may be more about a clash of values and the end of a friendship!

I think this is it, although I think it's really quite sad to. There are fanatics and mad people on both sides, and I don't really blame them. The media has whipped up sentiment and misinformation has run rife throughout the pandemic. That there are people who have gone off the rails a bit is unsurprising and I don't think I do blame the individual.
I wouldn't want to end a friendship over a dodgy COVID view, although I don't know what the answer is in this situation OP.

@Mymapuddlington

As an unvaccinated person (who wears a mask/washes hands/social distances) I’d be heartbroken if I lost friendships due to my choice

I think it would prove they weren't good friends in the first place. Real friends would never do this. People have been utterly brainwashed, it's very sad to see.

Yes, vaccines protect the person who gets them and have no affect on others around them. People who are vaccinated can still be a spreader.

@NormaSnorks I’m getting the impression it wouldn’t have come up at all if she hadn’t been campaigning. You probably would have just gone along with arrangements as restrictions eased without thinking about checking in on vaccination statuses.

I could be wrong, but this stuff seems to follow a pattern.

If I lived with, or frequently saw, a person who was CEV then no.

I know a few people who have caught covid despite being vaccinated- I'm talking felt quite unwell with it, not just tested positive- so the vaccine is not some magic bullet.

And I agree with the PP that said vaccinated people seem to think every can go back to normal and they're immortal now and are probably worse than the unvaccinated in this regard

We have a teenage daughter, 19y, so at the moment many of her friends aren't vaccinated. She has had one vaccine but won't be able to have second for a few more weeks - she is 2.5 weeks post first vaccine. A lot of her friends now have appointments but not yet vaccinated.

We allow them in our house.

None of my family or friends, especially those who are likely to visit, have refused the vaccine. All have had their first vaccine, a small number are awaiting their second within the next 3-4 weeks. So adults we know - it isn't an issue anyway.

I can't imagine asking a less well known visitor if they've been vaccinated or not and then making a decision. I'd hope they were ideally, but wouldn't actually ask/refuse them entry.

I'd Possibly struggle having someone who was actively and vocally anti covid-vax as a friend tbh though as I doubt we'd gel much.

I'm happy to rely in my own vaccines and the fact I've had covid (and less than a month ago still had antibodies.)

I wouldn't judge someone who had a cev or particularly vulnerable person (especially one who can't be vaccinated themselves) living with them to make the decision not to have unvaccinated people in their home. Especially whilst cases are rising.

Why does it matter if you're vaccinated? You could get covid in the supermarket. But you've chosen to vaccinate yourself to massively lower your chances of getting it badly/ending up in hospital. Therefore the non vaxer is taking far more of a risk than the rest of you - bar the person who lives with someone CEV.

Yes, I live with one.

@DwangelaForever

Yes, vaccines protect the person who gets them and have no affect on others around them. People who are vaccinated can still be a spreader.

No. There is mounting evidence that vaccines reduce transmission.

www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/mounting-evidence-suggests-covid-vaccines-do-reduce-transmission-how-does-work

But yes, vaccinated people can still catch and spread covid.

@Mymapuddlington

As an unvaccinated person (who wears a mask/washes hands/social distances) I’d be heartbroken if I lost friendships due to my choice

Big difference between an unvaccinated person and an ardent anti-vaxxer.

I've got kids, so yes! Everyone's circumstances will be different though. I tended to steer away or meet outside with those that haven't followed lockdown/isolations/testing/masks etc at all as I felt they were a higher risk. Similarly I pissed someone off when cases were high back in February - a person I was due to meet for a walk who hadn't followed lockdown was cheesed off with me as I'd genuinely meant going for a walk, rather than a euphemism for "please come into my house with your family for lunch"!!!

Yeah, because I've had Covid and am vaccinated. My dc has had Covid too.

If vaccine-lovers think the vaccine is so valuable, why don't they have faith in it to protect themselves? Is all I can think.

Can say same about masks, too, about people who get very upset at non-mask wearers. Why wear a mask so religiously if so convinced it isn't good enough?