Would you have non-vaccinated people in your house?

[NormaSnorks]

I am part of a reading group. 8 of us used to meet in each other's houses on a rotating basis. Have been on zoom for last 14 months but we are starting to discuss return to hosting at home.

One member is ardent anti-vaxxer and two other members have said privately that they don't want her in their homes as they believe she presents a higher risk. One has an elderly relative at home and the other a CEV child.

@SingingInTheShithouse

Not been hour experience at all, but vaccination status is hardly medical history

I'd totally understand that stance with actual medical history though, I'm the same myself, nobodies business but mine

Of course vaccination status is medical history, it’s a medical procedure. Regardless, I have never been asked to provide my vaccination status to friends/acquaintances for other dangerous infectious diseases such as measles or the flu, so I won’t be starting now.

Sorry, but it's not a "medical procedure", but a vaccine

Your prerogative of course, but imho, it's a very weird attitude

Oh on checking, apparently it is sometimes considered a minor one.

Still think it odd though, I mean why wouldn't you share information that's relevant to, & reassures others you are in contact with

@SingingInTheShithouse

Oh on checking, apparently it is sometimes considered a minor one.

Still think it odd though, I mean why wouldn't you share information that's relevant to, & reassures others you are in contact with

I mean, you can think it’s odd all you want. I don’t care, I don’t know you. I think it’s odd that people will be routinely going round asking people their vax status for this infectious disease when they don’t do it for other infectious diseases. Luckily no one has asked me so not something I’ve had to deal with 🤷🏻‍♀️.

I think it’s odd that people will be routinely going round asking people their vax status for this infectious disease when they don’t do it for other infectious diseases. Luckily no one has asked me so not something I’ve had to deal with 🤷🏻‍♀️.

Nobody is asking, people we know are socially conscious enough to let their friends know they are a safe option to hang out with.

The other infectious diseases are hardly the same thing as a pandemic 😟

@SingingInTheShithouse

I think it’s odd that people will be routinely going round asking people their vax status for this infectious disease when they don’t do it for other infectious diseases. Luckily no one has asked me so not something I’ve had to deal with 🤷🏻‍♀️.

Nobody is asking, people we know are socially conscious enough to let their friends know they are a safe option to hang out with.

The other infectious diseases are hardly the same thing as a pandemic 😟

I believe the vaccination works. The real world data shows that it gives approx 95% protection against severe illness. Other people’s vax status is immaterial to me, because I’ve had the vaccination and therefore have an extremely high degree of protection. If an unvaxxed person came to my house, they would be putting themselves at far more danger than they’re putting me...because they don’t have that protection.

I believe in it too ofc, but it isn't 100% p, vaccinated people are still dying of Covid & if you weren't being open that you had been vaccinated, I'd presume you hadn't & keep away from you as said above, the only people keeping it to themselves we know are refusing the vaccine & have owned up to others or their partners have told us as 2 of us here are CV/CEV

@SingingInTheShithouse

I believe in it too ofc, but it isn't 100% p, vaccinated people are still dying of Covid & if you weren't being open that you had been vaccinated, I'd presume you hadn't & keep away from you as said above, the only people keeping it to themselves we know are refusing the vaccine & have owned up to others or their partners have told us as 2 of us here are CV/CEV

That’s entirely your prerogative, of course. My friends seem happy to socialise with me without me announcing my vaccination status so all good here too .

@Ifitquacks

Ah well contrary to your experience I have been vaxxed (well I’ve had my first, second is on Sunday) but I am still reluctant to discuss my medical history with everyone I know.

Agreed! Find it very odd to be asked if/when I will have my vaccinations.

As it happened I'm double vaccinated and have been for a wee while but that then highlights the fact I was vaccinated for medical reasons as opposed to being vaccinated with others my age. No ones business, but mine.

@SingingInTheShithouse

Not been hour experience at all, but vaccination status is hardly medical history

I'd totally understand that stance with actual medical history though, I'm the same myself, nobodies business but mine

But it is medical history. And something you have to consent to.

People can then guess other aspects of your medical history for example if you were vaccinated early, there is clearly a reason, and if you are not vaccinated many have no qualms but to ask why not to see if they deem your reason "good" enough

@SingingInTheShithouse

Oh on checking, apparently it is sometimes considered a minor one.

Still think it odd though, I mean why wouldn't you share information that's relevant to, & reassures others you are in contact with

It's not relevant to anyone else. And it's just downright rude and very odd to think everyone would be happy to share that information with you,

It's not relevant to anyone else

WTAF ofc it's relevant to everyone you are in close contact with due to err, you know, a Pandemic 🤷‍♀️

People can then guess other aspects of your medical history for example if you were vaccinated early, there is clearly a reason,

Yes, but people who you are in close contact with are very likely going to know that already, so where is the harm🤷‍♀️ & if it's reassuring people, why would you not

@SingingInTheShithouse

People can then guess other aspects of your medical history for example if you were vaccinated early, there is clearly a reason,

Yes, but people who you are in close contact with are very likely going to know that already, so where is the harm🤷‍♀️ & if it's reassuring people, why would you not

Really? Work colleagues etc?

It's personal and mine to share or not. No one else has the right to know that.

No, they're a risk to others.

@SingingInTheShithouse

It's not relevant to anyone else

WTAF ofc it's relevant to everyone you are in close contact with due to err, you know, a Pandemic 🤷‍♀️

No. My medical information, is just that, mine. No one else has the right to know about it unless I choose to tell them.

I don't ask if people are vaccinated against the flu before I spend time with them, despite being vulnerable to it. It's not my business to know if they are vaccinated or not.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that

& no, not a right to know, but it is the socially conscious thing to do to reassure those you are in close contact with. Just as you don't like people to know your medical stuff, others might not too & may well be CV/CEV & would feel a whole lot better knowing you are vaccinated. Otherwise the safest default for someone at risk, is to assume you are not & act accordingly

Covid is not the flu, we are not in the middle of a deadly flu pandemic 🤦‍♀️

I have several friends with HIV who are extremely vulnerable to Covid & not generally able to be open about health issues due to prejudice. Knowing people are vaccinated that they interact closely with is as im sure you can appreciate is a huge relief for them

@SingingInTheShithouse

Covid is not the flu, we are not in the middle of a deadly flu pandemic 🤦‍♀️

I have several friends with HIV who are extremely vulnerable to Covid & not generally able to be open about health issues due to prejudice. Knowing people are vaccinated that they interact closely with is as im sure you can appreciate is a huge relief for them

Seriously. Flu kills thousands of people in a bad flu year, which happens more than you think.

But yes, I forgot, the only thing you are allowed to have concerns for is covid.

@SingingInTheShithouse

We'll have to agree to disagree on that

& no, not a right to know, but it is the socially conscious thing to do to reassure those you are in close contact with. Just as you don't like people to know your medical stuff, others might not too & may well be CV/CEV & would feel a whole lot better knowing you are vaccinated. Otherwise the safest default for someone at risk, is to assume you are not & act accordingly

Yes I think we will have to agree to disagree.

But just one point in your post - they don't want others to know they are vulnerable (which I obviously get) but then want others to disclose medical information about themselves in order to make others feel better?

The safest thing is to assume others are not vaccinated. While vaccines are cutting transmission down it doesn't stop it. We have a few at my worm who have all been very open about being double vaccinated, and have this week tested positive

My cleaner (of my holiday let) is a steadfast anti vaxxer, as are all her friends. I'm slightly uneasy, so when I work alongside her I open all the windows! i also don't hug her. if she was a friend and in my house, and hugging greetings I'm not sure tbh how I'd feel

@tigger1001

They all disclose that they are vaccinated, all in my circle who are vaccinated do. Asthma, which is very common puts your on the CV list, nobody is presuming or trying to get information on why they got a vaccine early. Some who have genuinely no underlying health problems, got theirs early too as some vaccines were being wasted & medical friends were calling them to get a jab now to save waste. So there's no need to divulge any health issues at all. It's a huge relief to know who they can safely be around though

[quote SingingInTheShithouse]@tigger1001

They all disclose that they are vaccinated, all in my circle who are vaccinated do. Asthma, which is very common puts your on the CV list, nobody is presuming or trying to get information on why they got a vaccine early. Some who have genuinely no underlying health problems, got theirs early too as some vaccines were being wasted & medical friends were calling them to get a jab now to save waste. So there's no need to divulge any health issues at all. It's a huge relief to know who they can safely be around though [/quote]
That's your experience, but not mine.

I made the mistake at work of saying why I needed time off and got more than one snide "why are you getting it?" That was repeated to other people too. It was at that moment I made the decision that I wouldn't be revealing my vaccination status. People are just judgmental no matter which way the vaccine debate goes

I feel like I'm the only person on MN who still believes genuinely in "tolerance."

I wouldn't feel happy having anyone in my home who obsessively & intolerantly promotes their views, whether that's rabid conspiracy theorist, loud anti-vaxxer, anti-Brexit zealot, or noisy covidiot critic. All equally odious - even if I might share some of their opinions.

Fine to spend time together when we have other things in common.Then we can hold different opinions & agree to disagree and not have to discuss it or have to justify our position.

I grew up in household dominated by unpleasant arguments over religion. Unpleasant atmosphere over religion is a recurring theme in extended family, I suppose. Born agains vs.JWs vs. atheists... It's a big deal to me to have a household where people can be civil & respectful in spite of strong disagreements on politics, religiion ,ideas, best behaviour choices, etc.

It's a huge relief to know who they can safely be around though

And that’s where we differ. Due to the excellent data around vaccine efficacy I don’t view anyone as inherently ‘unsafe’ to be around, due to the high level of protection I have. I also don’t consider myself to be 100% ‘safe’ around anyone due to the fact that no vaccine is 100% reliable and people who have had it can still transmit. I am however happy with my level of risk around people, whether vaccinated or unvaccinated. We take some degree of risk every day of our lives, but having had the vaccine myself, the risk is mitigated to a level I am happy with. Other people are welcome to make their own risk assessment, but I assume my friends feel similarly to me as they’re happy to socialise with me without knowing if I’m vaxxed or not (and I with them).