Would you have non-vaccinated people in your house?

[NormaSnorks]

I am part of a reading group. 8 of us used to meet in each other's houses on a rotating basis. Have been on zoom for last 14 months but we are starting to discuss return to hosting at home.

One member is ardent anti-vaxxer and two other members have said privately that they don't want her in their homes as they believe she presents a higher risk. One has an elderly relative at home and the other a CEV child.

Literally don’t know anyone who has rejected the vaccine.

Echo-chamber finally paying off.

It must be awful to live every day with that degree of fear and preoccupation with other people's medical history.

I can't be around animals because of my serious allergies. I avoid things which can make me ill. My reluctance to be around people who've chosen not to protect themselves or others is not a preoccupation with other's people's medical history, it's a preoccupation with not dieing unnecessarily or causing my elderly relatives to die. If it just impacted them, I would not give a stuff. If people chose not to have a Hep B jab, that's all cool with me. I don't need to know what contraceptive they're using or if they're on HRT. It's just a good old boring protecting of myself I'm afraid.

"It must be awful to live every day with that degree of fear and preoccupation with other people's medical history"

I know there's an idea out there that people who got vaccinated are scared/terrified/living in fear of covid. Some will be. Not me personally I was pregnant, went out and gave birth during lockdown. I got the vaccine because it felt right, I know nothing about it, didn't do research, took the nhs/governments advice, am low risk, healthy in my 20s, no side effects at all. I don't sit around dwelling on other peoples medical history, I can live knowing I've done my bit to contribute to heed immunity and hopefully reduce mutations/variants

I can understand the two people being reluctant due to health reasons.

For me personally (I have no health issues) so I wouldn't be overly bothered about mixing with non vaccinated people. At some point we are all going to have to learn to mingle together again

@FflosFfantastig

It seems to me that vaccinated people seem very scared still, despite having had their vaccine to protect themselves. I find it very bizarre. It must be awful to live every day with that degree of fear and preoccupation with other people's medical history.

Shows that your perceptions are wrong on way more than one level Funny that😂

Very simple solution. All book club members agree to take lateral flow test before meeting. Anyone positive stays at home and Dials in online.

Having the vaccine or not having the vaccine is irrelevant. Both parties can still transmit covid.

All the vaccine does is reduce symptoms, nothing more.

All my friends are happy to have me in their houses. I'm not vaccinated. They know why. My friends are the women who changed my bed, made my meals, kept me sane and drove me hospital several times a week when I was very poorly.

I'm back at work now after nearly a year off. My work colleagues don't know officially about my vaccination status but I'm sure they've noticed that I don't join in with vaccine conversation. I just change the subject and carry on.

I have no problem having unvaccinated people in my home. I'm glad my friends don't either.

All the vaccine does is reduce symptoms, nothing more

Which is great news for people who have been vaccinated. Not so great for those who chose not to be. Even worse for those who cannot be vaccinated and will be denied hospital treatment because their bed will be taken up with unvaccinated people needing life saving treatment.

The least people, who refuse vaccination, can do is refuse NHS hospital treatment should they need it.

The least people, who refuse vaccination, can do is refuse NHS hospital treatment should they need it

Do you think obese people should refuse treatment for type 2 diabetes? Smokers should refuse treatment for lung conditions? Drinkers should refuse treatment for liver disease? Drivers should refuse treatment if they’ve been in a RTA?

@canigooutyet

And if there was any scientific basis of having segrations like so many people want, the gov would have gone ahead and introduced sanctions on the unvaxxed. The covid pass that many wanted to restrict the unvaxxed access to restaurants, bars and more would have gone ahead.

But it has gone ahead, it's been sneaked into the NHS app. Two sections to prove vaccine status for attending event and for foreign travel

Couldn't give 2 hoots where the unvaccinated go. I decide where I go and who comes in to my house. That is all the control I need.

Do you think obese people should refuse treatment for type 2 diabetes? Smokers should refuse treatment for lung conditions? Drinkers should refuse treatment for liver disease? Drivers should refuse treatment if they’ve been in a RTA

These people need a bed. They won’t close a ward, denying others treatment. People who drink, smoke, are obese risk their own health - nobody else’s. Is that too difficult to understand?

@NormaSnorks

If a person is a covid-denier ("it's just flu...") then they're unlikely to be willing to do a LF test?

If the refuse the test then simple, sorry can't come in

@KimmyAndMe

Do you think obese people should refuse treatment for type 2 diabetes? Smokers should refuse treatment for lung conditions? Drinkers should refuse treatment for liver disease? Drivers should refuse treatment if they’ve been in a RTA

These people need a bed. They won’t close a ward, denying others treatment. People who drink, smoke, are obese risk their own health - nobody else’s. Is that too difficult to understand?

But they all risk others health, smokers by causing passive smoking. RTA can cause serious health issues to pedestrians, cyclists or other road users they impacted with. Drunks (particularly violent 9nes) can hurt and injure someone else. Drug users can leave dirty needles that someone innocent could stand on/get pricked by.

of course they’re a risk to other people. For various reasons.

And you were talking explicitly about them not being allowed to access medical treatment as they haven’t taken a vaccine to prevent themselves getting ill.

I haven't read all the replies, but of course I would!
How would that conversation even go down?! Do you vet people for vaccination status at the door lol?!
It should always be personal choice whether someone gets vaccinated or not, I'm uncomfortable with how some seem to want a two tier system.
It'll be bells round necks next if some had their way don't give them ideas lol
I say this as someone who has had the first jab and has the second upcoming in a few weeks!

Geez I'm glad I've never joined your group.
You sound really intolerant of any body that doesn't have the same views as you.
If people were only friends with people who had the same " values" there would be a lot of lonely people.

@KimmyAndMe

All the vaccine does is reduce symptoms, nothing more

Which is great news for people who have been vaccinated. Not so great for those who chose not to be. Even worse for those who cannot be vaccinated and will be denied hospital treatment because their bed will be taken up with unvaccinated people needing life saving treatment.

The least people, who refuse vaccination, can do is refuse NHS hospital treatment should they need it.

Oh, this old chestnut again.

That is not how the NHS works, and never will be.

If someone has openly said I'm an anti-Vaxer they would not be welcome in my house whether I had vunerable relatives or not, not a chance

of course they’re a risk to other people. For various reasons

Not in a hospital ward they are not. Someone who needs a bed isn’t overwhelming the NHS. Someone who needs a bed because they are a risk of transmitting Covid to others (especially those who are most vulnerable) overwhelm the NHS because it only takes one person with Covid to be admitted to a ward and that closes the ward/adjoining wards/large section of hospital to patients who most need treatment for illnesses other than covid.

But I very much doubt that those who choose to refuse the vaccine will admit that their decision is likely to have devastating impact on others.

@KimmyAndMe

of course they’re a risk to other people. For various reasons

Not in a hospital ward they are not. Someone who needs a bed isn’t overwhelming the NHS. Someone who needs a bed because they are a risk of transmitting Covid to others (especially those who are most vulnerable) overwhelm the NHS because it only takes one person with Covid to be admitted to a ward and that closes the ward/adjoining wards/large section of hospital to patients who most need treatment for illnesses other than covid.

But I very much doubt that those who choose to refuse the vaccine will admit that their decision is likely to have devastating impact on others.

I would suggest you look up the figures for the percentage of people vaccinated people in hospital with Covid vs unvaccinated. Plenty of fully vaccinated people are still ending up being admitted, and "closing a ward".

@omgthepain

If someone has openly said I'm an anti-Vaxer they would not be welcome in my house whether I had vunerable relatives or not, not a chance

Anti-vaxxers are pretty militant in their views. I would have thought you have known someone is an anti-vaxxer long before Covid came about. Not wanting, or being hesitant, about one vaccine does not make someone an anti-vaxxer. Would you call someone who eats all meat except chicken, a vegetarian?

Unfortunately covid created a new breed on anti vax, the microchip variety. A previously close friend is now one of these.

If I had an elderly relative at home and a CEV child I wouldn’t have ANYONE in my house. Vaccinated people can also spread co- vid.