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Would you have non-vaccinated people in your house?

312 replies

NormaSnorks · 01/07/2021 15:32

I am part of a reading group. 8 of us used to meet in each other's houses on a rotating basis. Have been on zoom for last 14 months but we are starting to discuss return to hosting at home.

One member is ardent anti-vaxxer and two other members have said privately that they don't want her in their homes as they believe she presents a higher risk. One has an elderly relative at home and the other a CEV child.

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duffeldaisy · 02/07/2021 10:07

I can't find it now - read it in this thread somewhere on my phone this morning - someone mentioned that they just tell people they're double jabbed.

I would be incandescent if someone lied to me about their vaccine status. If you don't want to have it then you should be honest about that. Our family have made such sacrifices to protect each other since this began. I've missed seeing grandparents, missed a funeral, missed catching up with friends in other parts of the country.

If you lie about your status, you take away the power for those of us being really careful to make proper decisions about our own health. And if you make someone sick or die because of it then I hope you are prosecuted for manslaughter. Because that's what it is.
Own your decisions and don't be too cowardly to admit them, because that's dangerous for other people.

duffeldaisy · 02/07/2021 10:12

And to answer the question, no, I wouldn't invite an anti-vaxxer into our home. Different if someone wants it but can't have it yet because they're too young.
Anti-vaxxers don't seem to want to take any precautions, and after everything we've been through, I don't now want us getting Covid because of that.

If we were still friends, I might meet someone anti-vax in a park, distancing, with masks. But to be completely honest, I don't think I'd have much in common now with anyone who wasn't getting vaccinated who could do. I do think that it is selfish. And I respect people's rights to be selfish. I wouldn't demand mandatory vaccines. But it wouldn't mean I'd have to like them.

Bythemillpond · 02/07/2021 10:13

What was the point of getting vaccinated if you are still going to live a half life and put up restrictions against those who remain unvaccinated and are not infected.

If you are that worried then you need to stay at home permanently otherwise you are going to come into contact with unvaccinated people in the supermarket/work/street

The 2 most clinically vulnerable in our family Dh (type 1 diabetic, no spleen and cancer) and his mother (age 95 in a care home with dementia) have both had Covid and actually breezed through it compared to myself, Dd and Ds who it hit like a ton of bricks

duffeldaisy · 02/07/2021 10:18

It's not a permanent situation. Eventually, once the vast majority have got their second jabs, once most 12+ have, then finally (hopefully) the case numbers will drop massively and so then there won't be enough anti-vaxxers and unvaccinated to let it spread so dramatically.
(if that happens quick enough to stop it mutating into something that vaccines have no effect against, and then we'll have to start all over again).

Eventually it will get better and it'll be much harder for them to spread it. Then I'll be more relaxed. But right now I'm not taking any risks.

aiwblam · 02/07/2021 10:20

I’d keep that on zoom on the basis that cases are high and there are elderly/cev people who could be exposed.

Canigooutyet · 02/07/2021 10:23

Thanks @SexTrainGlue will have a look. Also finally found the ons one as well.

With the fervent ones we agree to disagree. I didn't meet my adoptive brother until several years ago. We spent hours on the phone and in person chatting. Getting to know each other. Eventually it came out he's racist and my dcs have an African parent. If course we both had similar thoughts about each other. We managed to put our differences aside and we are close to each other's children. So it's not always easy to say you won't talk to people with opposing views. He believed at the time he had his reasons which were compounded by the majority of his community.

Just out of curiosity to those who wouldn't be around the cv unvaxed what about flu, pneumonia and whooping cough for example? All contagious and can be fatal to the vulnerable. Did you make the same demands before now?

duffeldaisy · 02/07/2021 10:34

Flu, pneumonia and whooping cough are nothing like as infectious as covid, especially this new strain.
I think it's more than that, too. We've had over 128, 000 deaths so far (or, if you count the 60 day+ people who survive on ventilators for longer so don't fit the 28 day stats, over 146, 000). We've got hundreds of thousands of people with long Covid. We've got people losing work, whole industries shut down every time there's another wave.
And then there are people looking at all of that and not getting a vaccine, despite having no good reason, just because they read a scare story on social media. It's just off-the-scale selfishness and, yeah, that makes me very judgmental, but no I don't want to be friends with them.

ifonly4 · 02/07/2021 10:39

I had the vaccine to protect myself and my friends/family I care about. If they don't care about me enough to do the same (other than if they can't have it for medical reasons) then don't see why I should have them in (bearing in mind there is still a risk, and they're a heightened risk). Other than one that can't be for health reasons at the moment, very lucky though as everyone I'm likely to have sat on my settee is vaccinated.

FflosFfantastig · 02/07/2021 10:42

@SingingInTheShithouse

As can those who have recovered from previous infection

That's total bollox & dangerous bollox at that 😏

It's very easy to educate yourself & know better, try it

FTR I had Covid Feb 19, had antibodies & then at 6 months I didn't have antibodies. If you look on Covid groups you will see droves of people dealing with second & even 3rd Covid infections. That does not happen if you have immunity from the first infection

You need to think of Covid as you would a cold, (but a potentially very dangerous one) as that's how the virus behaves, you can catch it again & again & again & get no virus lead immunity to it

Thank you for your rude response. I hate to break this to you but vaccinated people can still end up with Covid you know ( yes milder/less likely blah blah blah). Your magical vaccine will not afford you complete protection. It's a virus ..
Lalalablahblahblah · 02/07/2021 10:46

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SingingInTheShithouse · 02/07/2021 10:57

Yes @FflosFfantastig I do know that, it comes with doing real research & have a good understanding of the actual science of it, instead of antivaxxers rubbish

& sorry if you don't appreciate my attitude. If you are too sensitive to criticism, perhaps you shouldn't be posting Covid nonsense of the net 🙄

FflosFfantastig · 02/07/2021 11:06

@SingingInTheShithouse

Yes *@FflosFfantastig* I do know that, it comes with doing real research & have a good understanding of the actual science of it, instead of antivaxxers rubbish

& sorry if you don't appreciate my attitude. If you are too sensitive to criticism, perhaps you shouldn't be posting Covid nonsense of the net 🙄

It isn't nonsense. Yes benefit from antibodies isn't going to be everlasting but neither is your vaccine. Hence your boosters.
FflosFfantastig · 02/07/2021 11:06

Sorry you feel that non scientists aren't allowed an opinion Hmm

Wheresmybiscuit3 · 02/07/2021 11:16

It wouldn’t even occur to me to ask

SingingInTheShithouse · 02/07/2021 11:17

🤦‍♀️

JSL52 · 02/07/2021 11:18

You know being vaccinated doesn't stop you getting Covid ?

Cornettoninja · 02/07/2021 11:22

@FflosFfantastig

Sorry you feel that non scientists aren't allowed an opinion Hmm
Jesus, is this really what we’ve been reduced to?

I mean, yes have an opinion by all means, but how you could possibly think an opinion based on scientific knowledge is equal to ‘gut feeling’ is boggling. Your opinion isn’t being attacked for not being based on an understanding of science but it will be treated for what it is.

What do you do for a living or have a particular interest in? Do you think everybody's opinion on it is equal to yours in knowledge/understanding?

‘Standing on the shoulders of giants’ has clearly been consigned to the dustbin.

tigger1001 · 02/07/2021 11:29

Can see both sides to this. Your house - your rules and if there is someone who is clinically vulnerable then can appreciate the caution.

However I wouldn't like to be asked my vaccination status - not anyone's business but mine.

grey12 · 02/07/2021 12:19

If it worries you ask everyone to wear a mask

PerveenMistry · 02/07/2021 12:27

No, I would not.

We make it a practice not to associate with non-vaxxers, period.

PurpleDaisies · 02/07/2021 12:29

@PerveenMistry

No, I would not.

We make it a practice not to associate with non-vaxxers, period.

How do you know? Do you ask everyone?
Ifitquacks · 02/07/2021 12:32

@PerveenMistry

No, I would not.

We make it a practice not to associate with non-vaxxers, period.

I mean... how would you know? I have no idea of the general vax status of the majority of my friends and family. In fact until I was pregnant with my first I had no idea I hadn’t had the MMR... my mum’s GP was anti it for some reason so she panicked and I didn’t have it! I’ve had it since. I’m glad I haven’t spent my life not being associated with as I hadn’t had all my childhood vaccinations Confused.
SingingInTheShithouse · 02/07/2021 12:34

In our experience, the only people who have any issue with saying whether they are vaccinated or not, are those choosing not to be vaccinated & rabid quanon antivaxxers can't wait to tell you all about it, which is so nice of them. So it's pretty easy to spot & avoid them 🤷‍♀️

We don't avoid those who can't have the vaccine for medical reasons, as they are going's to be at least CV if not CEV, so more likely to be more sensible & less of a risk anyway

Ifitquacks · 02/07/2021 12:36

Ah well contrary to your experience I have been vaxxed (well I’ve had my first, second is on Sunday) but I am still reluctant to discuss my medical history with everyone I know.

SingingInTheShithouse · 02/07/2021 12:41

Not been hour experience at all, but vaccination status is hardly medical history Confused

I'd totally understand that stance with actual medical history though, I'm the same myself, nobodies business but mine