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When do you think bars / restaurants will ban unvaccinated people?

180 replies

Getafuckinggripman · 29/06/2021 16:25

Because I do think it will happen...

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looptheloopinahulahoop · 30/06/2021 21:32

@Bythemillpond

If unvaccinated people are putting vaccinated people at risk tge what was the point of the vaccine. It either works or it doesn’t and if you believe you are still at risk despite being doubly vaccinated then why did you have the vaccine in the first place.
Exactly this. If you are vaccinated and still scared then you'll have to stay at home. In a few weeks every adult will have been offered the vaccine and most will have had the second. I'm definitely not worrying my head about the unvaccinated at that point. And I suppose those of you who want to ban unvaccinated people want to exempt your own children from that?

I do think it will happen with foreign travel but hope it will be a temporary thing only.

looptheloopinahulahoop · 30/06/2021 21:36

It is a decision that impacts on everyone though… the fewer people that are vaccinated then the longer it goes on for. The unvaccinated provide a route for the virus to reach the vulnerable

Not in the UK where vaccine take-up is very high (generally - I accept there are some areas where it's lower).

Well there reports today suggest that going forward there will be no need to go into isolation if you've been double jabbed (just daily tests

I fail to see how having to do daily tests is remotely acceptable? It should be EITHER two jabs OR daily tests. I suspect most people would choose the jabs. The tests are horrible and annoying to do. The jab takes about 3 seconds and is a one (two) off.

BeautifulBirds · 30/06/2021 21:48

@alexdgr8

i think it's a good idea. would attract lots more customers. those with genuine medical exemption could have a pass. those who just don't want it could go elsewhere, ie keep away from me.
If you trust the vaccine why is this an issue?
Twistered · 30/06/2021 22:06

@Dave20

Not sure about pub covid passports but I absolutely think it will happen in the foreign travel industry. It will be down to those individuals countries, but I think it will happen in the short to medium term.
That's already happening now , you need proof of vaccination or else proof of negative test prior to entry to quite a lot of countries.
aloeavera · 01/07/2021 00:14

I don't really get it though, are they trying to protect the unvaccinated because if it's the other way round, why did you all get your vaccines in the first place then?

Roonerspismed · 01/07/2021 08:46

It’s bonkers - we need to protect the vaccinated from the unclean vaccinated

What is the point?!

Personally I am going for my well functioning immune system

TheDailyCarbunkle · 01/07/2021 12:59

Perhaps unvaccinated people should wear a red coronavirus badge to show that they're unclean? They could then have their lives and freedom restricted everywhere.

Twistered · 01/07/2021 13:01

@TheDailyCarbunkle

Perhaps unvaccinated people should wear a red coronavirus badge to show that they're unclean? They could then have their lives and freedom restricted everywhere.
yes and they should definitely wear a bell round their neck so the wonderful clean vaccinated people can hear them coming
TheDailyCarbunkle · 01/07/2021 13:02

In fact, why not require unvaccinated people to stay in one part of the city? They'll call it a 'ghetto' but really it's necessary to protect the Pure from the Unclean

TheDailyCarbunkle · 01/07/2021 13:06

I think it's hilarious that anyone believes pubs and restaurants are going to willingly carry out seriously invasive health monitoring voluntarily or on behalf of the government. Test and trace involves very little effort on their part and it is so badly and pointlessly done that it might as well not be happening. The implementation would be an absolute nightmare. They would also need to factor in the likelihood that establishments that exclude unvaccinated people may become targets for serious violence - there is a lot of pent up anger and frustration out there and making some people second class citizens is not exactly the best way to to deal with that.

user1497207191 · 01/07/2021 13:07

No, we need to get on with normality as soon as all adults have had the chance to be doubled jabbed, i.e. in about a month or two. In mid/late August, we need to be back to normal everywhere.

Obviously foreign travel is different and restrictions etc will be required for many months if not years to come due to the differential in vaccination rates between countries.

If people are at higher risk due to medical conditions or havn't had jabs due to being pregnant or medical conditions, then the onus is on them to take personal precautions to protect themselves. If they're not happy in crowded shopping areas, then they need to go at quieter times or carry on getting deliveries. If they want to go to a pub or restaurant, then they take the risk it'll be busy or choose a quieter time. It's got to be personal risk assessments and personal responsibility for themselves from now on.

Twistered · 01/07/2021 13:53

@TheDailyCarbunkle

In fact, why not require unvaccinated people to stay in one part of the city? They'll call it a 'ghetto' but really it's necessary to protect the Pure from the Unclean
not good enough. They should be underground so there is zero risk to the vaccinated!
Againstmachine · 01/07/2021 17:36

Unvaccinated speak easy sounds good.

Wildswim · 01/07/2021 21:43

@Againstmachine

Unvaccinated speak easy sounds good.
I'll be there! Grin
Quaggars · 02/07/2021 01:33

Can't see this happening at all myself.
I mean, you'd be cutting off half your customers! Bearing in mind how terrible it has been for businesses in the tourism/leisure trade the last year.

Quaggars · 02/07/2021 01:36

yes and they should definitely wear a bell round their neck so the wonderful clean vaccinated people can hear them coming

Ha
I said the exact same in a comment earlier tonight, along the lines of some people won't be happy until the unclean (unvaccinated) have bells round their necks lol.
I say this as someone who has had their first jab and 2nd coming soon!

Nat6999 · 02/07/2021 01:59

Pubs & bars won't ever ban unvaccinated customers unless they are forced to by the government, many pubs are desperate for trade & arecglad of any customers they can get. Look at how many have closed over the last 20 years, the advent of the curse of Wetherspoons & supermarkets selling alcohol so cheaply that people drink at home instead of visiting the local pub.

Bythemillpond · 02/07/2021 07:49

It is a decision that impacts on everyone though… the fewer people that are vaccinated then the longer it goes on for. The unvaccinated provide a route for the virus to reach the vulnerable

I think if we had carried on with masks and SD and without lockdowns I think it would have been over by next summer.

There would have been a huge amount of deaths in this country. Far greater than we have suffered

But the way the world and the U.K. has gone about it is we have extended the time this virus will be around and ultimately the amount of deaths will be even worse and the ruined lives and devastating effects of lockdowns will have a far greater impact over years to come.

I can see that lockdowns work in reducing deaths in the short term but they don’t work in getting rid of the virus.
I think with the vaccine then we need to go back to some sort of normality here. The same with other countries. Vaccinate then get back to normal.
Yes there will be an upsurge in deaths but ultimately it is the only way to defeat this virus.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 02/07/2021 09:10

@Nat6999

Pubs & bars won't ever ban unvaccinated customers unless they are forced to by the government, many pubs are desperate for trade & arecglad of any customers they can get. Look at how many have closed over the last 20 years, the advent of the curse of Wetherspoons & supermarkets selling alcohol so cheaply that people drink at home instead of visiting the local pub.
A lot of them here are closed for 10 days due to cases/isolating. It depends how tenable it is to stay open or just have to keep closing if we decide to let cases rip.

It’s the same reasoning as the tourist industries in the Balearics asking Spain to put restrictions on British tourists after we put them on our green list. Getting open is one thing, but staying open is better. And potentially places might start to consider it once the realisation of repeated closures hits.

CovidCorvid · 02/07/2021 09:15

A bar in town has just announced this.

You either have to prove you've had both vaccines or show evidence of a negative lateral flow test in the last 48 hours.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 02/07/2021 09:16
  • I can see that lockdowns work in reducing deaths in the short term but they don’t work in getting rid of the virus. I think with the vaccine then we need to go back to some sort of normality here. The same with other countries. Vaccinate then get back to normal. Yes there will be an upsurge in deaths but ultimately it is the only way to defeat this virus.*

Yes, but we fucked it right up and we are still screwing it up. Not just us. The point of the lockdown was to get on top of it and put the systems and interventions in place that would control the virus and we failed to do that. The more we talk about learning to live with it like flu and that informing our planning the further away we get from it.

Vaccinate and get back to normal is the way out. But it requires vaccinating to a point where we get herd immunity from the vaccinations. We aren’t likely to get there this year.

TheKeatingFive · 02/07/2021 09:19

It depends how tenable it is to stay open or just have to keep closing if we decide to let cases rip

No. I don’t think it could get bad enough to be ‘worth it’.

The Irish debacle gave hospitality staff here the chance to air the many, many problems it causes.

Who is responsible for policing it for one thing? Are the businesses liable? Why is it ok to put that pressure on them on top of everything else? What happens if patrons get aggressive when asked about their medical history? How are exemptions managed? What if they get sued, does their insurance cover it?

The whole thing is a total minefield. I’m pro vax, but this is unworkable and stupid.

Bythemillpond · 02/07/2021 09:25

RafaIsTheKingOfClay

I agree. We do need as many people vaccinated as possible but I think we also have to open up and those that aren’t vaccinated will either get through it and be then more immune than those who have had the vaccine or they will get ill and die but I don’t see the death rate climbing into the 1000s here again if the vaccine works.

Although Dh is a bit put out that he has to go for his 3rd jab and is one wondering where it will end

Canigooutyet · 02/07/2021 09:27

@CovidCorvid

A bar in town has just announced this.

You either have to prove you've had both vaccines or show evidence of a negative lateral flow test in the last 48 hours.

Awesome a business that looks stupid to the rest of us. What an utter tool.

Any test is only as good up until the time of testing regardless of its covid, std or your iron levels.
Never mind the tool is under the false believe that the vaccination is 100% effective.

sashagabadon · 02/07/2021 09:28

@RedToothBrush

Well there reports today suggest that going forward there will be no need to go into isolation if you've been double jabbed (just daily tests), school bubbles will end and no covid passports and this is supported by Chris Whitty.

So I guess we will have to see what actually happens but I think there are a lot of people on MN who are going to have a shit fit at restrictions being lifted.

After 19th, we will be reaching a situation where if we continue with restrictions - unless we have particularly difficult issues in the depth of winter - where we will risk more lives indirectly.

That adjustment isn't going to be one that people are going to cope with well. So expect to see a fair amount of talk about this in the next couple of weeks.

And whilst I don't expect restrictions to be lifted earlier, if England do reach the Euros final, I am expecting there to be a half hearted / rather lax attitude about it coming from the top (basically the government know it will be bloody pointless and counter productive to tell people not to be dicks just a week before restrictions are due to be lifted - especially since the data is currently better than they feared would be the case at this point).

I am no where near anti-lockdown etc but I do think there are an awful lot of people who don't get where we are with things and what options are left to us going forward. Unfortunately we are at the point where there is little more that is feasible in terms of government intervention and there is a limit to what will be tolerated in the winter (if we need minor restrictions) if restrictions carry on over the summer.

There isn't much alternative to starting life back up.

I do get the impression that a lot of people haven't clocked or worked out how well vaccinations are working and how the data is good.

Its been said that in the near future the government will have to stop giving daily updates on numbers because its effectively going to fuel anxieties in an unnecessary and counter productive way. Of course this is going to be taken in completely the wrong way.

I really think there needs to be a massive change in the communications strategy because there is a growing gap between what is actually happening and where we are in terms of the pandemic and how it can be managed by intervention and what people understand.

People are not processing the decline in risk in an accurate way. Thats the problem.

It does worry me what the implications of this will be.

The dramatisation about it on MN is off the scale.

No we will not have covid passports. They won't work (for various reasons to do with willingness to comply reducing and prohibitive costs) and there are legal implications which would make it difficult to introduce / enforce without the risk that someone could come along and take it to court and more than likely win.

Its a complete non starter. And the government who looked into this, realised this reality which is part of the reason the whole idea is getting dropped.

But this part of the story seems to have been missed convientantly by those who want passports and by those who want to scare people and spread disinformation that they will be force to have one.

It.is.not.happening.

Completely agree! I also think (tin foil hat) that the timing of the Matt Hancock stuff is perfect in terms of the changing message. New broom and all that. Change of emphasis. Almost the first thing Sajid said was restrictions will go on the 19th July. Much easier for a new person to say that than Matt Hancock just politically as much as anything else. Some people do still think it’s 2020 but I have noticed those people are getting less and less air time ( good)
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