When do you think bars / restaurants will ban unvaccinated people?

[Getafuckinggripman]

Because I do think it will happen...

It’s quite incredible, imagine this conversation a year ago. You’d have been laughed off the threads as a ‘dementor’ if you mentioned the idea of unvaccinated people being ostracised like that.

It makes you wonder what we’ll be prelared to accept in another years time doesn’t it, perhaps the Unvaccinated being made to wear lanyards or your phone pinging when there’s one in close proximity...

@ifonly4

We have a lovely local character pub. In normal times you have to battle your way through a very busy bar to order food/drinks for bar area and outside. Throughout people in our borough have been extremely careful and I can't see many wanting to stand in the bar area. The pub either have to continue with app order/table service for outside (which actually I think some will continue with as it'll be popular) or it might be the case that it's only vaccinated and those with exemption. I'd certainly feel much more comfortable with that.

Your lovely character pub will go out of business if they can't go back to normal. How shortsighted are you?

It’s quite incredible, imagine this conversation a year ago. You’d have been laughed off the threads as a ‘dementor’ if you mentioned the idea of unvaccinated people being ostracised like that.

Last year you would have been told to put a tin foil hat on on this won't happen.

Yet it is you scare people with fear it's amazing what they accept for a normal.

Yet it is you scare people with fear it's amazing what they accept for a normal.

Yep, vaccinated people afraid of unvaccinated people. Makes you wonder what they think their vaccine is actually for

@XenoBitch sorry for the confusion, I meant that cruises are breeding grounds for various things.

I was thinking about the 3 cruises last year, never mind things like norovirus that have broken out on some of these cruises over the years.

It will be interesting though to see how their restrictions pan out on board and once the cruise is over.

it makes you wonder what we’ll be prelared to accept in another years time doesn’t it, perhaps the Unvaccinated being made to wear lanyards or your phone pinging when there’s one in close proximity.

This could easily lead to a social credit system once the technology is in place and been accepted by the population, it won't stay for just covid unvaccinated. It can be all vaccines and other undesirable traits. Scan your app when shopping to make sure you aren't buying more than your allocation of alcohol or unhealthy food. Overweight or some other health condition? Basic rations for you. Smoker? Sorry, not welcome to live here etc. Logging in everywhere you go like is already common in Australia and this info being accessed by various agencies such as law enforcement (already happening there also).

Maybe a slight exaggeration but I wouldn't be surprised if this is the direction things are heading, and worse, many people would probably be fine with it, along the lines of well if you've nothing to hide etc its scary

I’m in New York and things are pretty much back to normal here for now and the vast majority of people are fully vaccinated. If you’re not vaccinated, you’re asked to wear a mask. As you’re the one at risk if you don’t, no one checks. The Delta variant is here and spreading but it is unlikely to get a foothold here because of super high vaccination rates.

Some shows and concerts ask for proof of vaccination or a very recent negative PCR test but no one is banned as such from doing anything regardless of vaccine status. I’m not sure why Britain can’t do the same, really. I’m aware that fully vaccinated people can get the virus but if they are unlucky enough to do so, the vaccine appears to be doing it’s job.

I keep asking that question.
If you've had the vaccine what's the problem? You are protected in as much as it can protect you.

They will always be in contact with someone who they don't know that has not had the vaccine and not just because they are anti vax.

@alexdgr8

i know the vaccine does not solve all the problems, does not obliterate the virus, or the risk of catching/passing it on. but it greatly reduces that risk. i am not scared to go out. i think it is a matter of civic duty to have the vaccine. and if people in the nhs/care roles are not willing to have it, they should find another job.

Are those who work in these industries allowed to continue if they are exempt?

If they leave were can their replacements be rustled up from? Not everyone wants to do care for their job and NHS a lot of them require specific degrees and stuff. Not things your average Joe Bloggs on the street has just hanging around.

We eat out all the time. Sometimes 7 days per week. (At least 3 or 4 meals and a number of times just for drinks)

Only Dh is vaccinated. We have all had Covid we think. (Pre to when it had supposedly not left China).

If we can’t work and we can’t go out to eat or do anything then there is going to be an awful lot of people unemployed. A lot of businesses going to the wall.

Those that want this to be a thing need to play out what this would lead to. A humongous UC bill to be paid by those vaccinated people in work.

I am not having the vaccination because all vaccinations seem to make me so ill and I cannot afford to be ill for 6 weeks

I wonder if gaining access to work etc becomes reliant on having had a Covid vaccination will that not lead to mass migration to countries who would welcome the unvaccinated. Almost akin to refugee status.

@PluralPatty

I’m in New York and things are pretty much back to normal here for now and the vast majority of people are fully vaccinated. If you’re not vaccinated, you’re asked to wear a mask. As you’re the one at risk if you don’t, no one checks. The Delta variant is here and spreading but it is unlikely to get a foothold here because of super high vaccination rates.

Some shows and concerts ask for proof of vaccination or a very recent negative PCR test but no one is banned as such from doing anything regardless of vaccine status. I’m not sure why Britain can’t do the same, really. I’m aware that fully vaccinated people can get the virus but if they are unlucky enough to do so, the vaccine appears to be doing it’s job.

I see they protested outside of Bruce on Broadway because of his Vaxxed only stance. It’s going to be interesting see this play out in the USA particularly in the vax hesistant southern states.

Don’t be so sure about Delta not getting a foothold, we thought the same and then before you know it we have exponential growth again…

@Caspianberg.

Which country is this? Or is it an area in UK?

It's the start of an extremely slipery slope if this were to happen, which is absolutely frightening for society in general If this is allowed or accepted, but I think it also gives some businesses an opportunity to openly advertise that non vacc custom is welcome, which eventually creates an us and them divide which absolutely nobody at all wants or needs. It will become the new racism, semitism, homophobia, IF WE ALLOW IT TOO

@ifonly4

We have a lovely local character pub. In normal times you have to battle your way through a very busy bar to order food/drinks for bar area and outside. Throughout people in our borough have been extremely careful and I can't see many wanting to stand in the bar area. The pub either have to continue with app order/table service for outside (which actually I think some will continue with as it'll be popular) or it might be the case that it's only vaccinated and those with exemption. I'd certainly feel much more comfortable with that.

Your 'lovely local character pub' isn't a public service though. It's a business. One which very likely runs on tight margins and needs those crowds that you have to 'battle your way through' to turn a profit.

You might feel more 'comfortable' with your pub only serving vaccinated people, but unless you'd also be 'comfortable' to pay extra for the privilege, your 'lovely local character pub' may not be able to stay open. How many businesses could reduce their potential clientele, while increasing their expenses, and still stay profitable?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9738819/Vaccine-passports-over.html

How would this even be legal?? I was vaccinated four weeks before I was diagnosed as clinically vulnerable. How dare you suggest disabled or vulnerable people be excluded from regular life???

We are human beings! I am lucky I got mine before my medication made me vulnerable. But, do you mean cancer patients, those with immune disorders etc are not allowed to be able to socialise?

That's excellent news albeit not suprised. Pubs etc have been vocal about this for over a year objecting to it. Bj has publicly announced more than once it would not happen. The stage 1 in mass openings showed with other simple measure it could be contained. And The advisory committee presented evidence to show no scientific basis which was done on the back of one of the petitions.

Will be interesting over the next few days finding out people's reactions.

Hopefully the have a vaccine to work in care will a!so go the same way. Consultations for that one are still ongoing because of things raised when it was put to those who work in care homes. Like on this thread a very small percentage wanted to include nhs and other industries. There's to be a separate report. All these links are on the gov website for people to read.

@penni00 - Austria. Like I said, you have the choice here of not being vaccinated and just taking a test each time as well.

Very slippery slope. It’s strange how many nod the the things discussed as “nonsense” and “conspiracy” are trickling in

Looks to me like Ireland wants to use up its stores of the AZ vaccine.

Given the various reports of what the vaccines do to a small number of people - long term period issues (several threads on here), tinnitus, joint issues, heart issues and let’s not start on the clotting problems, the thought that young and healthy people will be forced down this route is utterly utterly chilling

How long for? This year? Next year? Ten years?

What other vaccinations?

Should we demand proof of rubella to avoid risk to pregnant women and their unborn children?

What about flu - that big killer that everyone seems to have forgotten? Why not bothered about whether the general population is vaccinated against flu too?

Where and when do we draw a line?

@niceupthedance

IME the people who go to bars normally are the ones least likely to be vaccinated. Why would they keep them out? What's the point in being vaccinated if you are still anxious about getting covid

What a strange thing to say. I go to bars occasionally, and I'm double jabbed.

How dare you suggest disabled or vulnerable people be excluded from regular life???

I dare say people who are unable to have the vaccinations can have an exemption. In the US it seems children can’t go to school without being vaccinated - those vaccinated children protect those who are unable to have the vaccine who can still attend. In my life I don’t know anyone who has refused the vaccine - (unless they’ve chosen to lie about it.). The majority will just get on with their lives and probably won’t worry too much about the people in society who chose not to have it. I can only see people getting upset if children are prevented from accessing services like restaurants but that would probably impact on millions of families and doesn’t seem very likely. If children are exempt from these rules then I don’t think there will be a huge fuss made. People want to get on with their lives. I would have thought though that the administration of a passport system would be huge and I don’t know how likely it will be to rolled out for leisure purposes.

Is there a list of conditions that prevent you having the vaccine? I've never seen one.

I own a hospitality business and I've no intention of doing this. Even if it was "law" how am I supposed to enforce it? How am I supposed to be able to tell if someone's proof of vaccination is real or fake? Totally unenforceable.